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    Didn't know you to be the over dramatic type Fusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    The most important presidential election ever

    If you are a liberal/progressive, the prospect of a Republican takeover should be giving you nightmares.
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    Ever? More than Lincoln's first election?

    The parties are close enough together that we're really talking about the margins here. The only difference is that the changes that are actually possible, will come a few years sooner or later depending on your political preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Ever? More than Lincoln's first election?

    The parties are close enough together that we're really talking about the margins here. The only difference is that the changes that are actually possible, will come a few years sooner or later depending on your political preferences.
    The “most important election ever” perhaps is an exaggeration. However, I don’t see the two parties as “close enough” on most issues at all. In fact, they are further apart and more loathe to compromise than perhaps any other point since the Civil War. They are poles apart on everything from social to economic issues. It takes a super majority to pass anything significant in Congress. The judicial nomination process is more contentious and political than before. With the advent of 24 hour cable news and the internet, EVERY issue is highly polarized and debated – to a point where the opposing side is often demonized as traitors, religious nuts, communists etc. I’m biased of course, but I agree with the author I linked to that is due to the hard shift to the right by the conservatives more than a shift to the left by the liberals. If Ronald Reagan would have a hard time winning the nomination of his party today, then it’s safe to say they’ve gone wayyyy to the right. On the other hand, someone like FDR with his New Deal platform would probably be considered too liberal today to win the nomination of his party!

    It may not be the most important election ever, but it's a significant one. It matters whether it's the Democrats or Republicans in charge. There is a real and stark difference between the two.

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    The future the US takes is at stake here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    The future the US takes is at stake here.
    No **** Sherlock
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    The “most important election ever” perhaps is an exaggeration. However, I don’t see the two parties as “close enough” on most issues at all. In fact, they are further apart and more loathe to compromise than perhaps any other point since the Civil War. They are poles apart on everything from social to economic issues. It takes a super majority to pass anything significant in Congress. The judicial nomination process is more contentious and political than before. With the advent of 24 hour cable news and the internet, EVERY issue is highly polarized and debated – to a point where the opposing side is often demonized as traitors, religious nuts, communists etc. I’m biased of course, but I agree with the author I linked to that is due to the hard shift to the right by the conservatives more than a shift to the left by the liberals. If Ronald Reagan would have a hard time winning the nomination of his party today, then it’s safe to say they’ve gone wayyyy to the right. On the other hand, someone like FDR with his New Deal platform would probably be considered too liberal today to win the nomination of his party!

    It may not be the most important election ever, but it's a significant one. It matters whether it's the Democrats or Republicans in charge. There is a real and stark difference between the two.
    All of this is true but in terms of actual implementation of policies, it's not going to make a big difference since neither side will get a supermajority.

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    Some of the social policy being passed in the Republican states is reaching new levels of insane tbh.
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    Wouldn't fly at the federal level.

    Hell, won't fly at the state level in most cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    The most important presidential election ever

    If you are a liberal/progressive, the prospect of a Republican takeover should be giving you nightmares.
    On the other hand, I barred up reading the author's description of the country under 2012 Republican rule. Might even move if it happens.
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    You'd move? I retract my previous statement.

    It certainly is the most election ever.

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    Will the Republicans resume the production of the F-22 Raptor?

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    Doubtful but who knows? I don't think it's high on the list for anyone. It's unnecessary.



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