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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post

    I have no idea if you're white, tbh, and I don't really care. What I care about is that eight years of racial backlash against Obama and "his America", which political power and economic progress is not seen to accrue disproportionally to white people whilst everyone else gets sweet ****-all has culminated in a fascist attempt to stamp on their throats so black people, Hispanic people, Muslims etc "know their place". What I care about is that you seem fascinatingly unbothered by this prospect


    We can agree to all of that without giving a pardon to atrocious behaviour from those considered 'minorities'. I really do hate this narrative of 'If you say anything against any people in X group regardless, it means you don't care about their greater struggle"... it's just a load of ***, but the implication is there all the time.

    Re: me seemingly not being bothered by the plight of minorities for this reason is actually pretty insulting. I don't know how many times I need to condemn Trump in this thread in order to not be labelled a facist-lover, and sorry Hillary gives me the obsolete shits as well, but what can I say. I find her vile in so many ways.

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    People probably think you like Trump because nearly everything you post is what Trump supporters think,under the guise of being a centrist.

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    Every time I read a Zinzan or jonbrooks post, or encounter similar in real life, I can't help but think of Hendrix's earnest response to Burgey's rank troll ages ago about why kiwahhhs are so bitter. Amongst his long and lengthly list (who knew he had so much rage inside him?) was something like "A third of the country are social conservatives/authoritarian conservatives pretending to be centrists or libertarians".

    As Uppercut says, this US election and the European refugee crisis has exposed these people all over, and they don't just live in Hamilton (lots do though). Plenty of big city slickers who need to be thrown from the Sky Tower or Mt Victoria.
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    Peer behind the facade and we are all either paradoxical or hypocritical.

    White, black, whatever, the 'Selfish Gene' thesis holds true for every single human being whether we like to admit it or not.

    George R.R. Martin: The Rolling Stone Interview

    ......Men are still capable of great heroism. But I don't necessarily think there are heroes. That's something that's very much in my books: I believe in great characters. We're all capable of doing great things, and of doing bad things. We have the angels and the demons inside of us, and our lives are a succession of choices.

    Look at a figure like Woodrow Wilson, one of the most fascinating presidents in American history. He was despicable on racial issues. He was a Southern segregationist of the worst stripe, praising D.W. Griffith and*The Birth of a Nation. He effectively was a Ku Klux Klan supporter. But in terms of foreign affairs, and the League of Nations, he had one of the great dreams of our time. The war to end all wars – we make fun of it now, but God, it was an idealistic dream. If he'd been able to achieve it, we'd be building statues of him a hundred feet high, and saying, "This was the greatest man in human history: This was the man who ended war." He was a racist who tried to end war. Now, does one cancel out the other? Well, they don't cancel out the other. You can't make him a hero or a villain. He was both. And we're all both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Every time I read a Zinzan or jonbrooks post, or encounter similar in real life, I can't help but think of Hendrix's earnest response to Burgey's rank troll ages ago about why kiwahhhs are so bitter. Amongst his long and lengthly list (who knew he had so much rage inside him?) was something like "A third of the country are social conservatives/authoritarian conservatives pretending to be centrists or libertarians".

    As Uppercut says, this US election and the European refugee crisis has exposed these people all over, and they don't just live in Hamilton (lots do though). Plenty of big city slickers who need to be thrown from the Sky Tower or Mt Victoria.
    This is especially hilarious from the poster well known as the most emotional member in CW history. Another beauty from the 'they don't seem to agree with everything I do politically so let's throw them off a cliff' school of politics". Haha, did someone mention fascism? There's your definition right there. Brilliant Flem, Hitler would be proud of that effort, he might even recommend gas chambers rather than the Sky Tower.

    Regarding jonbrooks, I seem to recall him advocating for Trump, which automatically makes their politics different to mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    This is especially hilarious from the poster well known as the most emotional member in CW history. Another beauty from the 'they don't seem to agree with everything I do politically so let's throw them off a cliff' school of politics". Haha, did someone mention fascism? There's your definition right there. Brilliant Flem, Hitler would be proud of that effort, he might even recommend gas chambers rather than the Sky Tower.

    Regarding jonbrooks, I seem to recall him advocating for Trump, which automatically makes their politics different to mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    hang on have i won a battle of something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Except that I've consistently maintained I can't stand either candidate in this case....But if it's easier for the narrative to make me a trump fan, let's just go with that shall we. lol
    TBF none of my paraphrased quotes were explicitly pro-Trump either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossTaylorsBox View Post
    People probably think you like Trump because nearly everything you post is what Trump supporters think,under the guise of being a centrist.
    They repeatedly call him (and think he's) an egotistical narcissist as well do they? Seems your lens only allow you to see my criticisms of Hillary, and not Trump. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Peer behind the facade and we are all either paradoxical or hypocritical.

    White, black, whatever, the 'Selfish Gene' thesis holds true for every single human being whether we like to admit it or not.
    Wilson was basically a villain. GRRM is describing the foreign-policy character set out by Keynes in 1919, and which seems to be widely accepted, but all of the best work on the Versailles negotiations has Wilson coming across as a total ****ing arsehole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    We can agree to all of that without giving a pardon to atrocious behaviour from those considered 'minorities'. I really do hate this narrative of 'If you say anything against any people in X group regardless, it means you don't care about their greater struggle"... it's just a load of ***, but the implication is there all the time.
    Watch out, you're letting your emotions get in the way of a balanced discussion!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Re: me seemingly not being bothered by the plight of minorities for this reason is actually pretty insulting. I don't know how many times I need to condemn Trump in this thread in order to not be labelled a facist-lover, and sorry Hillary gives me the obsolete shits as well, but what can I say. I find her vile in so many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    They repeatedly call him (and think he's) an egotistical narcissist as well do they? Seems your lens only allow you to see my criticisms of Hillary, and not Trump. Oh well.
    Actually there's a bunch of Trumpettes who see this as a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Wilson was basically a villain. GRRM is describing the foreign-policy character set out by Keynes in 1919, and which seems to be widely accepted, but all of the best work on the Versailles negotiations has Wilson coming across as a total ****ing arsehole.
    Partial ****ing arsehole.



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