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    I thought it was someone like Tim Wilson, who wants a small government thatís just large enough for him to have a six figure job in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    Yeah, this is a massive walk back from your earlier post, but w/e.

    I don't think I've ever used the kind of tropes you're describing regarding with AOC. I mostly think she's a moron. A strong political operator with a good sense of how to communicate with her generation (annoying as her demeanour is), but a moron all the same. A left wing Trump.

    I'm not sure in what world you'd expect a Libertarian to be pro the level of government interference required for the GND or the majority of what she proposes. I also think comments like "the world is going to end in 10 years" are stupidly alarmist in the same way "the immigrants are raping all the people" is. Releasing stupid thought bubbles like ending air travel and farting cows, then burying the evidence and blaming it on "right wing conspiracies" is pretty odious as well.



    I'm not pro open borders though. You're talking essentially about the dissolution of a nation, and we're a long long way from being able to do that. Her proposals around immigration and customs agencies are irresponsible in the extreme. I'm sure improvements to how the system works are possible and I'd certainly approve of mechanisms that make it much easier for people to cross borders and work legally, but in asking to abolish the agencies that enforce border laws she's doing nothing but spewing poorly thought out red meat to her base.

    I'm not aware of the anti-corruption laws she's proposed, but sorry, I'm not inclined to take a word she says seriously. She's a moron.
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    In your head does the **** you spout make sense or are you just trolling?

    Aside from the fact she proclaims herself a socialist - in isolation abolishing immigration laws is not a libertarian value. Her take on anti-corruption is theoretically good and yet the video from Congress that went viral was chopped and missing a rebuttal that demonstrated the flaws and gaps in her supposed facts. It doesnít make her worse than any other politician, but.

    Ultimately though, aside from the fact you started with a straw man, calling a Marxist a Marxist isnít a neocon trope, but Iím not even sure Ausage or I called her out as that anyway?
    mostly just trolling tbh but there are some things i'm serious about.

    I truly don't get what's so hideous about AOC in the context of the so called left wing of American politics. I can absolutely understand the despise for Hillary Clinton, for example, as well as Bernie Sanders. Obama has some pretty messed up foreign policy on his record (as well as a lot of good **** IMO but YMMV). Also, apart from the other points I've mentioned, AOC doesn't appear to be at all hawkish.

    I just don't get what's so despicable about her.
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    Can we please take a moment to deal with one of the less nuttier theories doing the rounds in the US atm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    I mean, I understand it in a way. It took a while for me to realise he wasn't a libertarian on some of the most important issues.

    "The government sucks at everything, except providing military cover for the noble zionist state! Disagree with me and you're an anti Semite."
    I mean obviously I agree with this point but Shapiro is quite obviously a classical conservative on a number of issues.

    I once stumbled across a weird little video of him where he was criticising Ariana Grande for ruining music or something, and then he went on this rant about his favorite song from the 1950s or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Can we please take a moment to deal with one of the less nuttier theories doing the rounds in the US atm?

    Fake Melania. Y/N?
    It's possible but the photos I saw didn't seem conclusive.

    I look forward to anyone spreading it via SM being unpersonned though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    I mean obviously I agree with this point but Shapiro is quite obviously a classical conservative on a number of issues.

    I once stumbled across a weird little video of him where he was criticising Ariana Grande for ruining music or something, and then he went on this rant about his favorite song from the 1950s or something.
    I mean it just sounds like he's a broken clock on that one.

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    It's probably one of the few things I'd agree with him on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Ending farting (/belching) cows can and should be attainable within just a few years. Even New Zealand knows this.



    mostly just trolling tbh but there are some things i'm serious about.

    I truly don't get what's so hideous about AOC in the context of the so called left wing of American politics. I can absolutely understand the despise for Hillary Clinton, for example, as well as Bernie Sanders. Obama has some pretty messed up foreign policy on his record (as well as a lot of good **** IMO but YMMV). Also, apart from the other points I've mentioned, AOC doesn't appear to be at all hawkish.

    I just don't get what's so despicable about her.
    I donít think sheís despicable per se - just dumb. Though her whole ĎIím in charge nowí act was somewhat unsettling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    I donít think sheís despicable per se - just dumb. Though her whole ĎIím in charge nowí act was somewhat unsettling.
    She is quite dangerous though, what will happen when the Dems do take power and cant deliver on these promises. People are going to vote expecting free healthcare, taxing the rich to give to the poor.
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    Heaven forbid either of those things ever happened, hey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Heaven forbid either of those things ever happened, hey.

    Well you would be better off voting for me, I will do everything in the new green deal plus a holiday for everyone to the place of their choice.

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    Looking at the reaction since Beto announced the reaction from the left of the Dem base has been brutal. I somewhat understand their annoyance as Beto does really feel like a manufactured candidate ala Marco Rubio, but they are going to have to lean screaming "centerist slag " at the more moderate base of the party is not how you win elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNT View Post
    Well you would be better off voting for me, I will do everything in the new green deal plus a holiday for everyone to the place of their choice.
    That would be awesome.

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    I’ve said it before but people calling universal healthcare ‘free’ just because you don’t pull your wallet out at the clinic, I just dunno what to do with. I’ve been living in a socialized medical environment for almost 5 years now, believe me ya pay for it. And you know how much because it’s detailed in every payslip. Costs me more than private cover back in Oz and I’m a student so thankfully scales with income. Working people shell out 200+/month. Euros, not $.

    People think it’s some touchy-feels hippy crap when it’s a deeply pragmatic decision to encourage people to deal with their illness early instead of waiting until they’re totally ****ed, head to hospital and increase the cost of treatment by an order of magnitude. Whatever your feelings about the mechanism, it ain’t free son.
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