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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Not talking about any of the posters here, but

    Ben Shapiro : AOC is only a successful politician because of her ethnicity and gender

    Also, Ben Shapiro : The left engages in identity politics all the time, why won't AOC debate me?
    Heh. That's not even the attack on a new left wing politician that best exposes Shapiros hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    Heh. That's not even the attack on a new left wing politician that best exposes Shapiros hypocrisy.
    I don’t think vcs is doing this - so it’s not aimed at him - but it does amuse me when our enlightened lot in here cite Shapiro in the negative in their anti-libertarian waffle, like it’s somehow relevant.

    But then what do you expect from people whose default seems to be ‘did Ayn Rand say that lololol’

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    I don’t think vcs is doing this - so it’s not aimed at him - but it does amuse me when our enlightened lot in here cite Shapiro in the negative in their anti-libertarian waffle, like it’s somehow relevant.

    But then what do you expect from people whose default seems to be ‘did Ayn Rand say that lololol’
    I mean, I understand it in a way. It took a while for me to realise he wasn't a libertarian on some of the most important issues.

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    Haha and don’t forget the fed


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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Haha and don’t forget the fed
    Oh dear.

    And here I was going to say "at least he gets economics right".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    I mean, I understand it in a way. It took a while for me to realise he wasn't a libertarian on some of the most important issues.

    "The government sucks at everything, except providing military cover for the noble zionist state! Disagree with me and you're an anti Semite."
    He's a standard issue conservative, no? And not a conservation, but a really mainline conservative in terms of his actual positions.

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    conservatarian* stupid autocorrect

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    Yeah he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    He's a standard issue conservative, no? And not a conservation, but a really mainline conservative in terms of his actual positions.
    Yeah this is pretty much correct.

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    Most self-described libertarians are mainline conservatives tbf*

    *Note I am not including Ausage and GIMH in this grouping
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Most self-described libertarians are mainline conservatives tbf*

    *Note I am not including Ausage and GIMH in this grouping
    I think that's probably true of most conservatarians tbh.

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    Yeah but there is a distinction between conservatives and conservatarians IMO, even if it's more of emphasis than actual type. I tend to find conservatarians much more focused on rigorous process, more consistently sceptical of executive power, closer to progressives on criminal justice. But again it's more a question of emphasis than significant gaps.
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    I thought conservatarian was just what you call yourself if you believe in conservative principles but acknowledge how inconsistent with those policies notionally-conservative political parties are.

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    I tend to see conservatarians as libertarians so deep into the culture war that they've deferred smashing the state until they've smashed the 'cultural Marxists' (or whatever buzzword you want to throw at AOC supporters and tumblr accounts that may as well not be real people). So libertarian where there aren't lefties to troll, conservative when there are (and using the state against them is convenient/easy).

    As with many of these things though, YMMV I suppose.

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    I thought it was someone like Tim Wilson, who wants a small government that’s just large enough for him to have a six figure job in it.



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