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    unfortunately i don't...the other problem with bernie is that he is an impractical fool, unlike trump he actually believes in the stuff he talks about...and most of it is just not achievable...i also don't foresee any republican support for him whatsoever...so even if he somehow gets elected, we are still looking at the distinct possibility of a one term president and a return to extreme right wing politics beyond that...add to that the fact that he is really old and i don't think it will work out for the dems or the country if he wins...we need someone measured, pragmatic and able to reach across the aisle to republicans who still have some capacity for rational thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall View Post
    I think he beats Trump. The only reason he wouldn't is, if centre Dems were to sit at home which they shouldn't as they are just coming of 4 years of Trump.

    Bernie should be strong in the same states that Trump just pipped Hilary to in 2016 and Trump isn't exactly trying to broaden his appeal to Republicans with his wall bollocks.

    Harris would be a bigger concern v Trump tbh as she does feel a little forced.
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    Pretty sure he would have beat Trump had he stood last time.

    I think the dems will again try to put some other shite establishment candidate like Hillary and manage to lose again.
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    He's the most popular politician in the country, no? Last I checked polls had him miles and miles ahead of the next guy in approval ratings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Bernie announces a presidential run.

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    Pulls the Democrats to the left?

    At the very least you'd think doing reasonably well should have an influence on likely Democrat policy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil View Post
    unfortunately i don't...the other problem with bernie is that he is an impractical fool, unlike trump he actually believes in the stuff he talks about...and most of it is just not achievable...i also don't foresee any republican support for him whatsoever...so even if he somehow gets elected, we are still looking at the distinct possibility of a one term president and a return to extreme right wing politics beyond that...add to that the fact that he is really old and i don't think it will work out for the dems or the country if he wins...we need someone measured, pragmatic and able to reach across the aisle to republicans who still have some capacity for rational thought...
    No reason to believe Harris the betting fav will do any better with Republicans than Bernie though. Trump sneaked the presidency by taking the rustbelt which is not strong Republican ground, some of those voters voted for Obama before and are not die hard Republicans. Those voters are very much in play for Sanders.

    Stick Tulsi on the ticket and then you get the anti war Trump base in your pocket.

    I do believe that the safest bets to beat Trump are Klob, Brown and Biden, but even without Bernie I don't see Klob and even Brown getting through the Dem primary.

    Biden would be the safest choice I suppose, would pull voters from the right, would hurt Trump in the rust belt and obviously the Obama connection would be monumental. Just need to persuade him to run though.

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    By far the worst thing about Bernie announcing is that it provides an opportunity for the most boring people on the left to re-fight the 2016 primary all over again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    By far the worst thing about Bernie announcing is that it provides an opportunity for the most boring people on the left to re-fight the 2016 primary all over again
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    Would have thought it obvious that Biden's the best chance for the Dems in 2020. All others candidates seem too left/socialist leaning to get those all-important moderate/independent swing votes.

    That hard left 'everything's for free' AOC style pitch may pick up some new voters & a bit of excitement along the way, but will also lose them plenty, especially in middle America.

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    As things stand, I have a hard time seeing anyone aside from Bernie taking the nomination. He's popular and the only other potentially popular candidate, Harris, seems to have a few skeletons in her closet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Would have thought it obvious that Biden's the best chance for the Dems in 2020. All others candidates seem too left/socialist leaning to get those all-important moderate/independent swing votes.

    That hard left 'everything's for free' AOC style pitch may pick up some new voters & a bit of excitement along the way, but will also lose them plenty, especially in middle America.
    Klobuchar is better chance of actually picking up Midwestern moderates than Biden, who IMO is one of the most overrated politicians in the country.

    But yeah in general there seems to be this strange assumption that you have to be a white candidate to attract those white working-class voters. When Obama put up those big "GM IS ALIVE AND BIN LADEN IS DEAD" banners at the 2012 convention, you didn't need to be a galaxy brain genius to work out who he was targeting there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post

    But yeah in general there seems to be this strange assumption that you have to be a white candidate to attract those white working-class voters.
    Well I'm not going say that, I was taking in terms of policy.

    I get the feeling Harris is going to end up further left policy-wise than many of us originally thought. That's if her town hall is anything to go by. Let's wait & see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Would have thought it obvious that Biden's the best chance for the Dems in 2020. All others candidates seem too left/socialist leaning to get those all-important moderate/independent swing votes.

    That hard left 'everything's for free' AOC style pitch may pick up some new voters & a bit of excitement along the way, but will also lose them plenty, especially in middle America.
    Honestly I have no real idea here, but I feel like the assumption that independents must be moderate centrists is a bit overblown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightprowler10 View Post
    As things stand, I have a hard time seeing anyone aside from Bernie taking the nomination. He's popular and the only other potentially popular candidate, Harris, seems to have a few skeletons in her closet.
    He’s older than water. I know that doesn’t necessarily matter but he’s ****ing ancient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    But yeah in general there seems to be this strange assumption that you have to be a white candidate to attract those white working-class voters. When Obama put up those big "GM IS ALIVE AND BIN LADEN IS DEAD" banners at the 2012 convention, you didn't need to be a galaxy brain genius to work out who he was targeting there.
    I'm no boffin so I'm curious what's strange about that assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightprowler10 View Post
    As things stand, I have a hard time seeing anyone aside from Bernie taking the nomination. He's popular and the only other potentially popular candidate, Harris, seems to have a few skeletons in her closet.
    Personally, I think we'll find that many of those 'skeletons' reflect the reality of tough decision-making and politics in the jobs she held at the time. There are aspects I've read that are somewhat troubling and I'm not sure if I'd vote for her but I dunno, in a world devoid of context, I feel like we'd need some to judge her record. Sanders makes me suspicious because he's basically had a career in representation and activism. That's it, really. All too easy to be all radical and reformist when you've made a life basically out of voting against stuff.



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