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    As someone positioned on the centre-left, who aligns with the Republicans on a surprising number of popular topics these days, I don't understand how a party that seems so intent on framing itself as the "rational" party in opposition to the Democrat's identity politics, can so comfortably ignore science on the issue of climate change.

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    Here is what IPCC says are the mix of solutions required:

    https://report.ipcc.ch/sr15/pdf/sr15_spm_final.pdf
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    And a question for people, especially those of Ikki's persuasion: Would you be surprised if it turns out to be China which develops renewable energy sources into a practical form and replace fossil fuels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Here is what IPCC says are the mix of solutions required:

    https://report.ipcc.ch/sr15/pdf/sr15_spm_final.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrez View Post
    As someone positioned on the centre-left, who aligns with the Republicans on a surprising number of popular topics these days, I don't understand how a party that seems so intent on framing itself as the "rational" party in opposition to the Democrat's identity politics, can so comfortably ignore science on the issue of climate change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrez View Post
    As someone positioned on the centre-left, who aligns with the Republicans on a surprising number of popular topics these days, I don't understand how a party that seems so intent on framing itself as the "rational" party in opposition to the Democrat's identity politics, can so comfortably ignore science on the issue of climate change.
    Heh, I don't think Republicans do that. They seem more intent on being a quasi white nationalist party at this point. There's far more Fox News worshippers in the party than Ben Shapiro wannabees. Maybe in 30 years time they'll frame themselves as the rational party in opposition to Democrats identity politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    The worship and supposed sanctity of it, yes
    Had no idea you felt so strongly about having a second referendum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPrez View Post
    As someone positioned on the centre-left, who aligns with the Republicans on a surprising number of popular topics these days, I don't understand how a party that seems so intent on framing itself as the "rational" party in opposition to the Democrat's identity politics, can so comfortably ignore science on the issue of climate change.
    So not centre left then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Yeah but then it wouldn’t have been the free market doing it.
    It never is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    So not centre left then?
    I find the Republicans to be a lot more moderate than the Dems these days, hence my willingness to align with the former on certain issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    Heh, I don't think Republicans do that. They seem more intent on being a quasi white nationalist party at this point. There's far more Fox News worshippers in the party than Ben Shapiro wannabees. Maybe in 30 years time they'll frame themselves as the rational party in opposition to Democrats identity politics.
    Agree with the bolded, but I certainly think its a stretch to call them a quasi white nationalist party.

    Certainly, Trump has made his fair share of winks to these types, but calling the entire party a quasi white nationalist party, as opposed to a weak institution incapable of keeping Trump in line, seems excessive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    I don't know how organic farming gets lumped in with wind and solar?
    because it's no where near as effective at feeding people or even as environmentally friendly as real farming, and if we could throw out the communists non-genetic engineering and modification rules it would be an even starker contrast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    because it's no where near as effective at feeding people or even as environmentally friendly as real farming, and if we could throw out the communists non-genetic engineering and modification rules it would be an even starker contrast
    not to mentioned that the whole organic farming mindset basically involves plonking down a north european agricultural package across the entire world
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    The worship and supposed sanctity of it, yes
    It's worshipping it to say that there are certain pillars of civil society that need to remain intact and trusted for democracy to function? What an odd statement.
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