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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    On a slightly more serious note, I wonder if being Facebook friends with Roger Stone got me added to any watchlists.
    Probably. Handy that CNN were there and able to capture his arrest though, what a stroke of luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    On a slightly more serious note, I wonder if being Facebook friends with Roger Stone got me added to any watchlists.
    I wouldn’t worry. Their primary use is to say “Yes, they were on a watch list” after someone does something bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    I wouldn’t worry. Their primary use is to say “Yes, they were on a watch list” after someone does something bad.
    Haha, sounds about right. I was probably already on one anyway. "Hey lets create a watchlist of tax protesters in case someone goes Full McVeigh" does not seem like a particularly unlikely conversation starter, particularly in light of the above.
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    I’ve thought for ages that the idea of losing face in politics is an overblown construct resulting from politicians’ huge egos interacting with the media’s need for stories in which powerful figures are humiliated.

    But it still takes me by surprise how little it matters. We’ve had weeks of ‘Trump has no escape! If he backed down he would LOSE FACE!’ Then he backs down and we all realise nothing of any consequence will actually happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    I’ve thought for ages that the idea of losing face in politics is an overblown construct resulting from politicians’ huge egos interacting with the media’s need for stories in which powerful figures are humiliated.

    But it still takes me by surprise how little it matters. We’ve had weeks of ‘Trump has no escape! If he backed down he would LOSE FACE!’ Then he backs down and we all realise nothing of any consequence will actually happen.
    i think it matters more to trump because it's not so much that he loses face but that parts of his base trust him less but yeah it's basically a 24hr news media cycle construct
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    He can go to the base saying he tried. That’s enough to satisfy them I think. Short of calling a national emergency it’s beyond his control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    Probably. Handy that CNN were there and able to capture his arrest though, what a stroke of luck.
    i just saw this video. jesus ****ing christ american policing is dystopian and nightmarish.

    which everyone with a brain already knew, of course, but it's still jarring to be reminded

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    Did Michaelia Cash tip them off?

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    I've encountered this before with Cernovich. Christian conservatives and Christian classical liberalis will often argue that Christian foundations allow societies to build towards liberalism and away from autocratic rulers, while Islamic foundations tend towards the opposite. I don't agree with this, but Cernovich does, and has not long ago arrived at the absolutely hot take that this is an argument in favour of Islamic societies. It's like he's double-wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I've encountered this before with Cernovich. Christian conservatives and Christian classical liberalis will often argue that a Christian foundations allow societies to build towards liberalism and away from autocratic rulers, while Islamic foundations tend towards the opposite. I don't agree with this, but Cernovich does, and has not long ago arrived at the absolutely hot take that this is an argument in favour of Islamic societies. It's like he's double-wrong.
    I don't know how you have the stomach to actually sit through these people's point of view.

    I mean, I read through like one direct quote and it's enough to know the guy is a complete moron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I've encountered this before with Cernovich. Christian conservatives and Christian classical liberalis will often argue that Christian foundations allow societies to build towards liberalism and away from autocratic rulers, while Islamic foundations tend towards the opposite. I don't agree with this, but Cernovich does, and has not long ago arrived at the absolutely hot take that this is an argument in favour of Islamic societies. It's like he's double-wrong.
    I've seen very certain paleocons and very very very extreme right-wing people argue for this -- the sort of people who thought that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem aligning with the Nazis during WW2 was a point in his favour, which I guess indicates what the core motivations are here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I've seen very certain paleocons and very very very extreme right-wing people (Nazis basically) argue for this, but from Cernovich it sounds extremely weird.
    Cernovich definitely took too many black pills a few months ago. "Certain paleocons" essentially includes him now. I give it six months before he's doing the #whitesharianow tag in half his posts.

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    Jfc that's a terrible take.

    Cernovich's that is.
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