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    Of course, this would never happen in the private sector.
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    Sometimes? Things like this are literally a daily occurrence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Of course, this would never happen in the private sector.
    Yeah but if a company wastes their money, who gives a ****? We have a stake in the functioning of our government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Of course, this would never happen in the private sector.
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    Steve Bannon?s Fallacy -- Trump & His Adviser Fall Out | National Review

    People spend too much time trying to figure out if Bannon is a bigot. Who cares? Isn’t it even more damning that he was perfectly comfortable to enlist bigots to his cause simply to leach off their passion and intensity? Maybe on some obscure moral calculus being a neo-Nazi is worse than lending aid and comfort to neo-Nazis because they’re useful hordes to unleash on your enemies. But I cannot see how that is an exoneration. Because Bannon consistently confuses means and ends, he was fine with forming an alliance of convenience with the alt-right when he thought it could help him. It was a stupid gamble, providing yet more proof that he has a thumbless grasp on how politics actually works. But his denunciations of the alt-right, including, most recently, Paul Nehlen, only came after the bets didn’t pay off. If the motley army of neo-Nazis, Russian bot accounts, Gamergate veterans, and comment-section trolls proved to be as powerful as Bannon foolishly believed, he would never have denounced them.
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    Bannon explained by an average american neckbeard:

    To really understand this you have to get Bannon.

    It's important to remember that Bannon isn't quite a white nationalist or Trumpian per se - he's a hardcore isolationist-nationalist with a worldview that "Western civilization" is under threat and in decline. He thinks in apocalyptic terms and sees himself as a prophet in an epochal struggle to save his tribal people, and is willing to do whatever is necessary to achieve those ends - thus his obsession with China, immigration, etc. He believes ardently in "traditional values" and in a myth of the moral superiority of a Leave it to Beaver 1950's manufacturing and masculine America.

    To the degree that he's racist it's not about skin color, it's about beliefs and behaviour, and to the degree that he's anti-immigrant it's because of immigrants unwillingness to be the kind of "pure" American he wants them to be. He sees a worldview wherein globalization leads to moral degeneration and the eventual swamping of his superior culture by other inferior cultures. His Islamophobia isn't the terrorist-fearing post-9/11 that is so common, but a deeper one more rooted in xenophobia. He's not afraid of people blowing up buildings, he's afraid that the West's openness to new ideas and new people, combined with the East's closed-ness, will lead to the West's cultural erosion until it becomes dominated by Islam or China, while Islamic and Chinese countries are able to maintain a "pure" ideology/culture. He sees globalization as a scheme of a cabal of evil bankers who don't care about anything but their bottom line, and are thus complicit in the decline of his beloved civilization - which is where his populism, to the degree that he's a populist, comes from.

    Now, Bannon also thinks he's a genius. He's way smarter than everyone else, sees these trends happening and is crying and screaming while everyone else lets their entire civilization crumble around them. He needs power to get the things he wants to do done - to save his people. Where does that power come from? White nationalists, Tea Party Republicans, Nazis. He doesn't worry about it, because he's smart, he can control people, and anyways this is so dire that the ends justify the means. If he stokes up racial animus to get people to vote for Trump, who cares? Trump will help him save the world.

    Here's the problem. Trump doesn't have an ideology, except the glory of Trump. So when he takes office, he's suddenly being told that people will love him more if he behaves more traditionally. Congressional Republicans have certain policy goals that are different from Bannon's, and when they fail, it's seen as a Trump failing. So he drifts more and more into being a traditional Republican President, albeit far less effective. He appoints Ron Swansons to ensure their departments don't function, but doesn't outright destroy them. He talks about a border wall and gets a mild, temporary immigration ban in place, but doesn't do anything with it. And he has no antipathy at all to giant, globalized business, except when he can use it to make his constituents adore him. So not only is he being frustratingly uncontrollable, when you can control him, he's too incompetent to get anything done.

    So Bannon is no lot the genius hand behind the throne he though he would be. He's an impotent vizier whose sultan is constantly drifting to other people's influence. To add insult to injury, he eventually loses even the fiction of influence, and is fired.

    Bannon always knew Trump was an idiot and an egotist, but he thought he could use him. It's imminently clear that Trump is not going to be useful in Bannon's epochal struggle, so he can say what he really thinks of him while trying cultivate the "alt-right" in an attempt to defend his culture from the horrible influx of others. The only danger in doing so is alienating the alt-right who still believe in Trump, but he sees that as little danger because he created Trump, and he is using the alt-right, and can still control them... right?
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    t's important to remember that Bannon isn't quite a white nationalist or Trumpian per se - he's a hardcore isolationist-nationalist with a worldview that "Western civilization" is under threat and in decline. He thinks in apocalyptic terms and sees himself as a prophet in an epochal struggle to save his tribal people, and is willing to do whatever is necessary to achieve those ends - thus his obsession with China, immigration, etc. He believes ardently in "traditional values" and in a myth of the moral superiority of a Leave it to Beaver 1950's manufacturing and masculine America.

    To the degree that he's racist it's not about skin color, it's about beliefs and behaviour, and to the degree that he's anti-immigrant it's because of immigrants unwillingness to be the kind of "pure" American he wants them to be. He sees a worldview wherein globalization leads to moral degeneration and the eventual swamping of his superior culture by other inferior cultures. His Islamophobia isn't the terrorist-fearing post-9/11 that is so common, but a deeper one more rooted in xenophobia. He's not afraid of people blowing up buildings, he's afraid that the West's openness to new ideas and new people, combined with the East's closed-ness, will lead to the West's cultural erosion until it becomes dominated by Islam or China, while Islamic and Chinese countries are able to maintain a "pure" ideology/culture. He sees globalization as a scheme of a cabal of evil bankers who don't care about anything but their bottom line, and are thus complicit in the decline of his beloved civilization - which is where his populism, to the degree that he's a populist, comes from.
    So, basically... he's Watson?
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    Trump tweets ‘ he is a very stable genius’ ( guardian) .. now I know why I don’t have a Twitter account..
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    Obviously, nobody in his right mind is interested in the new US ambassador to the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    The inauguration of a new ambassador is, normally, only of interest if one fancies ceremonial nonsense (think of horses, coaches, swords, funny outfits, guards of honour, and what not). I seriously cannot remember a new ambassasor of any country being news.


    But the USA have found a proper Trumpian. Just as dumb, just as idiot, just as ludicrous, and just as lying as the real Trump. This clip shows it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stapel View Post
    Obviously, nobody in his right mind is interested in the new US ambassador to the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    The inauguration of a new ambassador is, normally, only of interest if one fancies ceremonial nonsense (think of horses, coaches, swords, funny outfits, guards of honour, and what not). I seriously cannot remember a new ambassasor of any country being news.


    But the USA have found a proper Trumpian. Just as dumb, just as idiot, just as ludicrous, and just as lying as the real Trump. This clip shows it all.
    If anything it's worse than that IMO, it's pretty obvious since that most of these people don't believe this garbage, and are only saying it for entirely cynical reasons, to whip up their base into a frenzy. But corner them on it later, and they'll admit they knew they were spewing tripe.



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