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    I look forward* to the incredibly insightful analysis of how being sexually assaulted is just a lifestyle choice and that actually, you're the problem for expecting medical help for it.

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    Pretty sure I've read him say that the one thing from the ACA that he would continue was the non exclusion of pre existing conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Pretty sure I've read him say that the one thing from the ACA that he would continue was the non exclusion of pre existing conditions.
    I must have missed this, presumably because this is exactly the sort of argument you read all the time from people of a libertarian bent wrt pre-existing conditions. Will withdraw if so.

    EDIT: I will note though that what I said has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's a pre-existing condition or not (which is kind of a meaningless phrase when you think about it), merely whether it counts as insurable.
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    It was Trump and other Republican representatives who said that during a discussion on the repeal. I remember it well because I recall wondering how they were going to lower premiums without touching that aspect of insurance. I suppose they've reneged.

    Personally I'm against public healthcare excluding all pre existing conditions let alone sexual and domestic assault. Unless you're upgrading or going private it shouldn't be a factor. There's too many people left left vulnerable otherwise.


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    Well great. When does it go to the senate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Well great. When does it go to the senate?
    they are thinking july...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    It was Trump and other Republican representatives who said that during a discussion on the repeal. I remember it well because I recall wondering how they were going to lower premiums without touching that aspect of insurance. I suppose they've reneged.

    Personally I'm against public healthcare excluding all pre existing conditions let alone sexual and domestic assault. Unless you're upgrading or going private it shouldn't be a factor. There's too many people left left vulnerable otherwise.
    The problem with Obamacare is it's not really public healthcare is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    The problem with Obamacare is it's not really public healthcare is it.
    There's no goverment run insurance plan nor is it publicly funded I think, so yeah.

    The public option was probably better but I think it was compromised on because of fears that the private sector would suffer heavily? Or maybe because it wasn't going down too well with lobbyists. Idk, only did a quick google tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    The problem with Obamacare is it's not really public healthcare is it.
    That's not really the problem with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    That's not really the problem with it.
    Heh, meant in relation to his point tbf

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    How much are low-income individuals willing to pay for health insurance, and what are the
    implications for insurance markets? Using administrative data from Massachusetts’ subsidized
    insurance exchange, we exploit discontinuities in the subsidy schedule to estimate willingness to
    pay and costs of insurance among low-income adults. As subsidies decline, insurance take-up
    falls rapidly, dropping about 25% for each $40 increase in monthly enrollee premiums. Marginal
    enrollees tend to be lower-cost, consistent with adverse selection into insurance. But across the entire
    distribution we can observe – approximately the bottom 70% of the willingness to pay distribution –
    enrollee willingness to pay is three to four times below
    own
    expected medical costs. As a result, we
    estimate that take-up will be highly incomplete even with generous subsidies: if enrollee premiums
    were 25% of insurers’ average costs, at most half of potential enrollees would buy insurance, and
    even premiums subsidized down to 10% of average costs would still leave at least 20% uninsured. We
    briefly consider explanations for this finding – which suggests an important role for uncompensated
    care for the uninsured – and explore normative implications for insurance subsidies for low-income
    individuals

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    If you're a low income individual the issue is whether you have anything to pay towards it at all, isn't it, rather than talking about a willingness to pay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    If you're a low income individual the issue is whether you have anything to pay towards it at all, isn't it, rather than talking about a willingness to pay?
    Sure but it is still valuable to ask the question that if the cost of insurance goes up by $10 a month how many people would think it is no longer worth it and would rather spend that money on other necessities.

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