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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    It's amazing how discussion turns on a single word - 'extreme' - probably because it comes with a load of preconceived baggage and therefore people get carried away with it.
    Well either the Washington Post is extreme/radical in its general output, or it is not. No preconceived baggage in saying a liberal publication is not extreme. The reason why a conversation can hinge so heavily on a single word like extreme is because, as you must have noticed, the diversity across the political spectrum is enormous.

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    However, I still think that it's fair to say that the anti-Trump, anti-Republican hysteria plastered over the Washington Post on a daily basis is extreme. In the same way the anti-Left, anti-socialist propaganda plastered over Breibart is extreme.
    Yeah, it's really not. I mean there are occasional examples of it but they are by no means the bulk of the output. The WP is about as consensual a paper as you'll find. By that I mean, they guard the framework of consensus regarding what can be reasonably said in political discourse and the mainstream.

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    As I've said a dozen times before, the hyper-emotional, hyper-sensationalised reporting that began with News Corp back in the 1980s has turned the msm into a parody that lacks credibility and demands automatic scepticism.
    What this has to do with making a value judgement on the political proclivities of the Washington Post, I have no idea. Nonetheless it's an interesting discussion. I think what I mentioned above relating to presumptions about what is mainstream is far more insidious than sensationalism, which I would say is a second or third order consideration for them.
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    Good points MF, but if 3% of network news stories are favourable to the Republicans, 43% are negative, and the rest are neutral, then this indicates a real systemic problem (see previous post).

    Of course you could argue that Republican policy really is that bad, but that would go against current polls which show about a 40% favourability/approval rating.

    Something in the msm is out of whack here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Good points MF, but if 3% of network news stories are favourable to the Republicans, 43% are negative, and the rest are neutral, then this indicates a real systemic problem (see previous post).

    Of course you could argue that Republican policy really is that bad, but that would go against current polls which show about a 40% favourability/approval rating.

    Something in the msm is out of whack here.
    right because that should be a direct correlation...if the approval rating for republicans is 40%, the media should carry 40% favorable news stories of republicans to be considered fair...also if 40% of the country approves, they must be doing an amazing job!

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    Yeah, very poor argument. 40% of Americans think that evolution is a hoax. Should the WP ensure that 40% of its reporting on pro-creationism republicans is favourable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Yeah, very poor argument. 40% of Americans think that evolution is a hoax. Should the WP ensure that 40% of its reporting on pro-creationism republicans is favourable?
    The vast majority of issues aren't as open/shut as the basis for evolution though. There is no empirically correct answer on most of the things the left and right are split on. Highlighting the worst of one side isn't a particularly helpful way to frame a debate if you want it to go anywhere.

    I think the point is that there are a large number of people who don't think the same way as some people want them to. While it's tempting to shout at them it does nothing but give you a quick hit of endorphins. No minds are changed (in fact quite the opposite) and these people are not going anywhere, all you get is a divided society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    The vast majority of issues aren't as open/shut as the basis for evolution though. There is no empirically correct answer on most of the things the left and right are split on. Highlighting the worst of one side isn't a particularly helpful way to frame a debate if you want it to go anywhere.

    I think the point is that there are a large number of people who don't think the same way as some people want them to. While it's tempting to shout at them it does nothing but give you a quick hit of endorphins. No minds are changed (in fact quite the opposite) and these people are not going anywhere, all you get is a divided society.
    How about 29% of Americans thinking Obama is a muslim? That cross-section is probably even closer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    How about 29% of Americans thinking Obama is a muslim? That cross-section is probably even closer.
    That there are people who believe extremely stupid things isn't in question. You can't forcibly remove them from society and abusing them doesn't do anything to change their mind. So how do you stop their influence at the ballot box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    That there are people who believe extremely stupid things isn't in question. You can't forcibly remove them from society and abusing them doesn't do anything to change their mind. So how do you stop their influence at the ballot box?
    Well that wasn't the statement Bahnz made either. Just because a large portion of the population hold a view, does not make it true or correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Well that wasn't the statement Bahnz made either. Just because a large portion of the population hold a view, does not make it true or correct.
    Sure but his comment suggested that such a disparity in positive/negative reporting is justified because there are some stupid opinions out there. The reality is that most of the things the right and left are split on aren't matters of correct/incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    The vast majority of issues aren't as open/shut as the basis for evolution though. There is no empirically correct answer on most of the things the left and right are split on. Highlighting the worst of one side isn't a particularly helpful way to frame a debate if you want it to go anywhere.

    I think the point is that there are a large number of people who don't think the same way as some people want them to. While it's tempting to shout at them it does nothing but give you a quick hit of endorphins. No minds are changed (in fact quite the opposite) and these people are not going anywhere, all you get is a divided society.
    what are some of the positive things the repubs have done in recent months that you feel haven't been highlighted in the news media?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    Sure but his comment suggested that such a disparity in positive/negative reporting is justified because there are some stupid opinions out there. The reality is that most of the things the right and left are split on aren't matters of correct/incorrect.
    no i said there is no 1:1 correlation between a party's favorable rating in the general population (which in this case is actually quite paltry and not even 40%) and positive/negative news coverage about them and to suggest that is ridiculous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    Sure but his comment suggested that such a disparity in positive/negative reporting is justified because there are some stupid opinions out there. The reality is that most of the things the right and left are split on aren't matters of correct/incorrect.
    That wasn't my point at all. I was saying that just because a significant portion of the public believes one thing, you can't use that fact alone as a means of arguing that a media outlet is doing a poor job or is biased.
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