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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    It's an interesting change of tune from "there's no such thing as society". I don't think anyone in the future will be able to get away with Thatcher's method of telling everyone she was going to **** them over before ****ing then over.
    The "no such thing as society" thing has been taken out of context. She did go on to talk about a living tapestry of men and women and the Cameron quote that "there is such a thing as society, it is just not the same as the state" appears to be a pretty accurate clarification, having read the whole article, not too long ago.
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    Forgot about Brighton.

    We need a list if places that need to be given independence and surrounded by brick walls and razor wire. It can join Crawley, Plymouth, Hull, Newport... actually, where's that crap towns thread gone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    The "no such thing as society" thing has been taken out of context. She did go on to talk about a living tapestry of men and women and the Cameron quote that "there is such a thing as society, it is just not the same as the state" appears to be a pretty accurate clarification, having read the whole article, not too long ago.
    Even if it was taken out of context, it's a terrible idea for a politician to say something like that. If Cameron was quoted as saying it today it would be political suicide. But Thatcher was kinda like that. She had a unique ability to get away with blatantly offending large portions of the electorate. "Anyone over 30 who rides the bus is a failure" was another one, along with a series of comments on how terrible and useless men are. I can't imagine anyone getting away with that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    This is a valid point. I'll try to find some statistics about voluntary and involuntary unemployment but the point is that it is a poor system if you can, in theory, earn a higher wage and your post tax and post benefits income reduces. Moreover, it must cost the country some money in paper work to tax the same people who you are going to give benefits to.

    We were sat figuring this out the other day, and you know its not actually far off the mark.

    For example, I do a standard 37 hour week, of course I pay tax on that. If I wanted to do any overtime, i figure out i'd have to pay the following on that extra work

    20% tax
    11% NI
    9% Student Loan.

    So thats 40% gone off the cuff. Also, if I was recieving Tax Credits (for example, if i had children, or was below the working tax credit cut off point), for every pound my income goes up, my TC payments can go down by 39p. So at that point i'd have in theory lost 79p for every 1 extra I earnt. So if my overtime rate was 10/hr, i'd see 2.10 of it.......The same 'tapering' system applies to other benefits as they do to Tax Credits, such as housing benefit, JSA, council tax bens etc etc.... Don't know the rates for those but could well take you over a 100% deduction...... It is possible extra work can actually be detrimental to a person, depending in what benefits they get in the first place... Of course those with the most income based benefits are those on the lower incomes in the first place.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    11% NI
    Pretty generous way of funding them Paddys. Makes you wonder why they're so upset with England
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    Yeh but theres the northern Irish nail tax of 23%, makes bomb making and terrorism too expensive

    (BTW, incase you wern't joking - NI = National Insurance... forgot non brits might actually look at this thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    We were sat figuring this out the other day, and you know its not actually far off the mark.

    For example, I do a standard 37 hour week, of course I pay tax on that. If I wanted to do any overtime, i figure out i'd have to pay the following on that extra work

    20% tax
    11% NI
    9% Student Loan.

    So thats 40% gone off the cuff. Also, if I was recieving Tax Credits (for example, if i had children, or was below the working tax credit cut off point), for every pound my income goes up, my TC payments can go down by 39p. So at that point i'd have in theory lost 79p for every 1 extra I earnt. So if my overtime rate was 10/hr, i'd see 2.10 of it.......The same 'tapering' system applies to other benefits as they do to Tax Credits, such as housing benefit, JSA, council tax bens etc etc.... Don't know the rates for those but could well take you over a 100% deduction...... It is possible extra work can actually be detrimental to a person, depending in what benefits they get in the first place... Of course those with the most income based benefits are those on the lower incomes in the first place.....
    Yeah, back in the day I got promoted in work but the extra money didn't make a huge difference to our overall income. The main difference was that there was more money going into my account and less into the missus'. Can't complain about that, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    (BTW, incase you wern't joking - NI = National Insurance... forgot non brits might actually look at this thread)
    I wasn't serious, but I didn't know what it meant either. Thanks

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    Conservative Party: 62%
    Liberal Democrats: 58%
    Labour Party: 46%
    Green Party: 23%

    Interesting... would have thought Green would be higher.

    Oh well... only one party I can possibly vote for then... at least considering the Labour Party keep stuffing leaflets through my door telling me not to vote Lib Dem because it "is a wasted vote".

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    Did this Telegraph who to vote for thingy. SNP came out on top, but that was just because I larked around saying Scotland should be independent. So can be disregarded. To my total surprise I turned out to be more or less completely aligned with LibDem policies. WTF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steulen View Post
    Did this Telegraph who to vote for thingy. SNP came out on top, but that was just because I larked around saying Scotland should be independent. So can be disregarded. To my total surprise I turned out to be more or less completely aligned with LibDem policies. WTF?
    Just found out that LibDem leader speaks Dutch fluently!

    Anyway, would I have been British, I would vote LibDem anyway. Of all political factions, conservative and labour are the crappiest...

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    Election pretty interesting at the moment, Lib Dems have had a massive boost in the polls but is that really going to translate into seats? We will have to see, would still be amazed if they come anything else than third. Still a hung parliament looking very likely, could easily have two elections this year.

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    News at Ten had the Libs in second on votes but well behind both parties on seats. Tories came out top in both but not with enough for a majority. Will be an interesting election and even if we get a majority I imagine it will go to the wire, so to speak.



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