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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    I mean I'm cynical enough to just resign myself to the fact that humanity is driving itself off a cliff and, like 99.9% of people, just continue to live as if it isn't happening. But I can't bring myself to moan about the people that are trying to stop it from happening. The fact that people are angry about being late for work is a neat illustration of the problem. It's like they've been told they're about to be hit by a truck and their reaction is to be angry at having their game of marbles interrupted.
    I don't actually mind the "late for work" bit so much as the fact they protested on a train. That's full on "the problems are bad, and so are the solutions" territory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I don't actually mind the "late for work" bit so much as the fact they protested on a train. That's full on "the problems are bad, and so are the solutions" territory.
    Yeah almost all of the movement are heavily opposed to protesting on public transport for this reason.

    But it's just a dead cat anyway. People agreeing with your cause but not your methods is much better than the status quo of people not thinking about either at all. It's probably even better if it's bizarre and illogical. People talk about it more that way.
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    It's about picking your battles though. I don't really disagree with you, but disrupting Joe Bloggs' low-emission to commute to his retail job in Canning Town whilst Tarquin De Lacey takes a 747 to New York and back 3 times a fortnight etc. is pretty backward.

    I have no bones about protesters being disruptive, but at least try and fry the bigger fish.

    Edit: Ah, only just seen the most recent posts, which kind of make mine redundant. But never mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Bore off.
    If we aren't allowed to make points multiple times then I'll be sure to reply to all your future posts in here with this
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    On the second referendum bandwagon, bu really can't wait until Bercow ****s off.

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    The government's attempt to table a meaningful vote again today was just a deliberate attempt to pick a fight with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    The government's attempt to table a meaningful vote again today was just a deliberate attempt to pick a fight with him.
    Yeah that's a fair point.

    When is this vote going to happen?

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    No idea, but it's surely a non starter. 3 days to scrutinise and pass a 100 page piece of legislation on the most significant constitutional issues ever is nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    No idea, but it's surely a non starter. 3 days to scrutinise and pass a 100 page piece of legislation on the most significant constitutional issues ever is nonsense.
    So knowing this government ...tomorrow evening yeah?

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    Well whatever the arrangement it's a bit of a shambles. More Parliamentary time was given to the legislation that deals with which animals can appear in circuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Yeah almost all of the movement are heavily opposed to protesting on public transport for this reason.

    But it's just a dead cat anyway. People agreeing with your cause but not your methods is much better than the status quo of people not thinking about either at all. It's probably even better if it's bizarre and illogical. People talk about it more that way.
    I would've thought shutting down a highway would be a more logical protest, but then there's a chance some nutbag driver would just plow into the protesters, whereas a train driver isn't going to budge that train at all. People would then direct their anger towards the people in charge of the trains (i.e. government or private company) as well as the protesters, whereas on a highway for example all anger would be at the people in front of your car.
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    Shutting down low emissions trains by protest is the logical equivalent of HKers targetting anti-cpc grassroots organisations in protest. Sure it would generate headlines, but are they headlines you want?

    On another note, where do people decide when disruptive protest is acceptable. I would prefer busses run a bit more often. Good cause, and not just from a personal perspective. But firebombing the bus offices to make my point clear is obviously a step too far. Where do you draw a line in the sand?

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    Shutting down low emissions trains by protest is the logical equivalent of HKers targetting anti-cpc grassroots organisations in protest. Sure it would generate headlines, but are they headlines you want?

    On another note, where do people decide when disruptive protest is acceptable. I would prefer busses run a bit more often. Good cause, and not just from a personal perspective. But firebombing the bus offices to make my point clear is obviously a step too far. Where do you draw a line in the sand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
    I would've thought shutting down a highway would be a more logical protest, but then there's a chance some nutbag driver would just plow into the protesters, whereas a train driver isn't going to budge that train at all. People would then direct their anger towards the people in charge of the trains (i.e. government or private company) as well as the protesters, whereas on a highway for example all anger would be at the people in front of your car.
    The most effective and strategic protest would be rolling up to the regional/national HQ of Shell, BP et al and burning it to the ground.

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    So we seem to have established everyday convenience > important than the damage being willfully done to the planet so companies can keep making a buck, but < important than the chance some rando who moved to HK in the knowledge it'd been taken over by a repressive regime might be extradited by said repressive regime to mainland China. Cool.

    Totally arse about, frankly. But cool.
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