btw people who normally reign me in from my rants have said it's an awful infraction. I won't name them but these are people who are objective and not aligned to any 'side' as you put it. If I hadn't got that opinion from them I wouldn't have made the thread. Legit, you are worried that three quarters of the members will show the infraction up as a farce. You gave it because you couldn't infract him for the KFC thread. If you want to moderate the site that way, get rid of infractions and go back to how it used to be.