***Official*** Australia v New Zealand - Final

[Raghav]

If we actualy pull this off with no Ryder or Tuffey and Bond and Broom not at their best/not very good at ODs full stop (only Broom not very good for those that misinterpret ) I'm going to laugh, especially if the side includes Hopkins/Diamanti and Redmond.

NZ has always been a fighting side. It is one team which is habituated in playing its best cricket even without its biggest stars.

You do not actually require a great team to win ICC trophy every time. You require a team that is willing to give 100% performance on the field. In that aspect, NZ are top in giving their best, everytime in big tournaments.

I think we have good team at the moment (barring one or two players), that are capable of taking on Australia.

NZ will win this trophy for sure. Just a change this time - It will be Vettori holding that cup on Tuesday



NZ won the last Champions Trophy in African continent and there we go,,, we are on African continent this time.. some coincidence

[ohtani's jacket]

They're gonna kill us unless we bowl first.

[99*]

Australia should be afraid. NZ has a 100% winning record in Grand Finals.

[Days of Grace]

Average of 26.53 because he beat up on Bangladesh.

Against top 8 sides the average is 29.31 and an ER of 4.84. Decent but not a quality ODI bowler.

Most teams would select a player with those stats with no questions asked.

= quality ODI player.

But I'm guessing it's a waste of time arguing against you.

[_Ed_]

Average of 26.53 because he beat up on Bangladesh.

Against top 8 sides the average is 29.31 and an ER of 4.84. Decent but not a quality ODI bowler.

You ignore the fact that he was selected for NZ too early.

In the last 3 years (and against top 8 sides) he averages 26.04.

[DIRK-NANNES]

You ignore facts

Fixed

[Hurricane]

Used to live in Wellington (for 26 years I was there).

Moved to Sydney in 2006 for work

EST is Eastern Standard Time in Australia as SP. Fleming said.

OK thanks both for clueing me in - EST is also used in the States and Canada and it stands for the same thing. I was in Canada for a number of years.

Glad that the boys could reward your loyalty today - and mine!

[Flem274*]

Fixed

AWTA

Nah Scaly's gun. As long as he's not talking about us he knows his stuff and when he does talk about us, it makes me laugh.

[DIRK-NANNES]

AWTA

Nah Scaly's gun. As long as he's not talking about us he knows his stuff and when he does talk about us, it makes me laugh.

Scaly's fine by me, I just couldn't resist that cheap edit

[Scaly piscine]

Most teams would select a player with those stats with no questions asked.

= quality ODI player.

But I'm guessing it's a waste of time arguing against you.

Doesn't make him a quality ODI player. Makes him a solid ODI player.

If he was a quality ODI player he'd easily make any team, particularly in this era.

[Briony]

Well done NZ but it's been fortunate to have played all its games bar the first one at the Wanderers which has helped its seamers, especially when bowling first.

[JimmyGS]

Doesn't make him a quality ODI player. Makes him a solid ODI player.

[inbox24]

He's definitely better than Cam Whiting.

[NUFAN]

Really enjoy New Zealand ODI team especially in these knock out tournaments because they seem like a team that you'd get the better of if you played them on a regular basis but in a one off match they are always difficult.

The key is definitely how the captains perform, When Ponting is at the crease Mills and Bond will need to put him under heaps of pressure.

[GGG]

You ignore the fact that he was selected for NZ too early.

In the last 3 years (and against top 8 sides) he averages 26.04.

Yep thats what people from outside NZ fail to take into consideration, out bowlers and batsman are always going to have slightly higher/lower averages as we simply don't have the depth so players get picked before they are ready. If Brendon McCullum was Australian he would of made his debut over the last few years and his average proberbly would be in the 40's.