Warm Ups

[trapol]

Polo - still think Broom is average (not rubbish) scoring runs in a warm up means diddly squat.

I dont believe for a second he will do anything like yesterday in the real matches although i hope to stand pleasantly corrected

[Athlai]

Would rather move Ryder down than McCullum. Ryder struggles a little against the moving ball and if he went down the order could see him averaging 40+ with a good S/R

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by straw man

I find it weird batting a specialist bat at 7, especially when Broom is more of a proper batsman than a hitter. Sure he obviously connected with a few against India in the warmup but his hitting/ slogging hasn't looked very good when I've watched before that. I guess they want to give Oram time to play himself in at 6, but not really sold on that.

In fact in general it's very odd that we have McCullum, Ryder, Guptill and Taylor who are ALL hitters/ strokemakers in the top four, followed by Elliott, Oram, Broom, Vettori who are not really hitters. Two are 'nurdlers', Broom is more of a normal batsman and Oram can hit but is a slow starter and is out of form.

So what happens when we need to consolidate at the start, or hit at the end of an innings?

Broom should play 6.

Franklin 7.

[godofcricket]

Originally Posted by metallics2006

I guess India will play better with Sachin and Gambhir in the side. Nayar should play instead of Yusuf Pathan and Mishy should replace RP Singh.

Well i hope they do. But from what i have seen recently that india is finding it extremely hard to even get close to chasing big totals. The compaq series was one example, true they won against NZ but they only chased 160 odd runs. Against sri lanka before the finals they were completely thrased when chasing 300+ runs even when they had tendulkar as an opener and again yesterday against NZ. What i am trying to say is Indias weakness is not only their bowling atm but their batting is also not firing when they are exerted in a bit of pressure.

[straw man]

Originally Posted by Athlai

Would rather move Ryder down than McCullum. Ryder struggles a little against the moving ball and if he went down the order could see him averaging 40+ with a good S/R

I agree about Ryder likely being better down the order. Only problem is that would leave McCullum and Guptill opening together who are too similar IMO. Followed by who, Broom at 3?

No, I don't have a solution . No reordering I can think of fits perfectly.

As others have said, can't see McCullum moving back down the order due to his vice-captaincy. Franklin would be a good hitter at 7 or 8, but as his bowling at the moment would be fodder it's pretty hard to select him.

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by straw man

I agree about Ryder likely being better down the order. Only problem is that would leave McCullum and Guptill opening together who are too similar IMO. Followed by who, Broom at 3?

No, I don't have a solution . No reordering I can think of fits perfectly.

As others have said, can't see McCullum moving back down the order due to his vice-captaincy. Franklin would be a good hitter at 7 or 8, but as his bowling at the moment would be fodder it's pretty hard to select him.

His bowling would be fine and probably better than Oram's.

The number 3 problem is an interesting one really it would be putting faith in someone. Taylor or Flynn could do it.

Guppy
Baz
Flynn
Taylor
Ryder
Broom
Franklin
Vettori
Mills
Tuffey
Bond

Sorry Elliott.

Though since Flynn is a rather dire one day batsman (I'd be putting him in that Dravid strike rotating mode) maybe just shift Ryder to 3.

Guptill
Baz
Ryder
Taylor
Elliott
Broom

[Shri]

Originally Posted by godofcricket

Well i hope they do. But from what i have seen recently that india is finding it extremely hard to even get close to chasing big totals. The compaq series was one example, true they won against NZ but they only chased 160 odd runs. Against sri lanka before the finals they were completely thrased when chasing 300+ runs even when they had tendulkar as an opener and again yesterday against NZ. What i am trying to say is Indias weakness is not only their bowling atm but their batting is also not firing when they are exerted in a bit of pressure.

Yeah, I agree that they look that way when chasing big targets in matches that doesn't have any consequence. But, they seem to step up and perform in the big games these days(i mean the past couple of years). But, overall, based on very recent form, I agree that they are in a bit of a dip in all departments. Everything started with Sehwag's and Zaheer Khan's injury imo. If those two come back, the side will become more consistent and stronger.

[Polo23]

Originally Posted by trapol

Polo - still think Broom is average (not rubbish) scoring runs in a warm up means diddly squat.

I dont believe for a second he will do anything like yesterday in the real matches although i hope to stand pleasantly corrected

Yeah, but you're opinion is based on very little. You admitted a while ago you havn't seen any NZ FC cricket in the last few years where Broom has been prominent. He's had very little international opportunities so far, often coming in when he just needs to slog (he is not a slogger, he is a proper batsman) or when the game is well and truly past us.

This innings, despite it only being a warmup highlights that he CAN play at this level, just needs a little time to settle in (like almost every new player on the international scene does).

Remember, Broom is only 25 and has undoubted talent. It's a shame for Broom that Elliott has got ahold of that number 5 spot, I think his game suits number 5 in ODI's quite nicely. Oh well, if he gets the gig at 6 I reckon he can do a good job.

[godofcricket]

Originally Posted by metallics2006

Yeah, I agree that they look that way when chasing big targets in matches that doesn't have any consequence. But, they seem to step up and perform in the big games these days(i mean the past couple of years). But, overall, based on very recent form, I agree that they are in a bit of a dip in all departments. Everything started with Sehwag's and Zaheer Khan's injury imo. If those two come back, the side will become more consistent and stronger.

I just have my doubts regarding indias batting, i will be following them very closely in this tournament. Anyway best of luck to your team.

[Shri]

Originally Posted by godofcricket

I just have my doubts regarding indias batting, i will be following them very closely in this tournament. Anyway best of luck to your team.

Yeah. Looking forward to the Ind-Pak chat here during the CT game. Best of luck to your side too.

[Naumaan]

Originally Posted by metallics2006

Yeah. Looking forward to the Ind-Pak chat here during the CT game. Best of luck to your side too.

but there shouldn't be any fight or leg pulling between fans lol

[Raghav]

My NZ Team for this Champions Trophy on the SA tracks with the Batting Order is:

Ryder
Guptill
Elliot
Taylor
Broom
McCullum
Vettori
Mills
Oram
Bond
Tuffey

[Uppercut]

Originally Posted by metallics2006

Faith doesn't win us games. Mishy does.

Ahaha, sigged.

Can't believe they picked Ojha over him for the World Twenty20. Clowns.

[Smudge]

Is this the Warm-Ups thread or yet another NZ squad thread?

[Polo23]

Originally Posted by Voltman

Is this the Warm-Ups thread or yet another NZ squad thread?

NZ > world