*Official* Group B Discussion - South Africa, Sri Lanka, New Zealand, England

[Hurricane]

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[baardslichten]

J Kallis needs 3 more ODI wickets to reach the following amazing record : scoring more than 10 000 runs in both Tests and ODI's while also having taken at least 250 wickets in both formats of the game. Has any other player ever reached this or anyone else close to reaching this amazing feat ?

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by baardslichten

J Kallis needs 3 more ODI wickets to reach the following amazing record : scoring more than 10 000 runs in both Tests and ODI's while also having taken at least 250 wickets in both formats of the game. Has any other player ever reached this or anyone else close to reaching this amazing feat ?

Interesting question.

The nearest in Tests for any player with 10'000 runs is Steve Waugh with 92 wickets.
The nearest in Tests for any player with 250 wickets is Kapil Dev with 5248 runs and then Botham with 5200.

Sanath Jayasuriya has 13343 runs in ODIs and 319 wickets.
The nearest after that in ODIs with 10'000 runs is Tendulkar with 154 wickets then Ganguly with 100.
Afridi has the most runs out of all players with 250+ wickets after Kallis and Jayasuriya in ODIs with 5715

[Raghav]

My NZ Team for this Champions Trophy on the SA tracks with the Batting Order is:

Ryder
Guptill
Elliot
Taylor
Broom
McCullum
Vettori
Mills
Oram
Bond
Tuffey

Would like to see McCullum drop the order. His quick 30's and 40's help NZ more at the bottom of the order rather than at the top. Guptill should open with Ryder. Send Oram down the order... cant see him hitting the ball anymore

[Athlai]

I think if we drop anyone down the order it should be Ryder. McCullum would be best at 7 or opening and we need a 6 more than we need a 7.

Elliott at 3 is interesting, has he ever played there in List A cricket?

[Naumaan]

OK GUYS PREDICTION TIME
who's going to win Tomorrow, South Africa or Srilanka
my pick would be South Africa with ease

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by Naumaan

OK GUYS PREDICTION TIME
who's going to win Tomorrow, South Africa or Srilanka
my pick would be South Africa with ease

Dunno about with ease. Sri Lanka when they run hot do very well.
Yet I'll go with South Africa as well.

[G.I.Joe]

Originally Posted by Athlai

Interesting question.

The nearest in Tests for any player with 10'000 runs is Steve Waugh with 92 wickets.
The nearest in Tests for any player with 250 wickets is Kapil Dev with 5248 runs and then Botham with 5200.

Sanath Jayasuriya has 13343 runs in ODIs and 319 wickets.
The nearest after that in ODIs with 10'000 runs is Tendulkar with 154 wickets then Ganguly with 100.
Afridi has the most runs out of all players with 250+ wickets after Kallis and Jayasuriya in ODIs with 5715

But he puts everyone to sleep!

[Raghav]

Originally Posted by Athlai

I think if we drop anyone down the order it should be Ryder. McCullum would be best at 7 or opening and we need a 6 more than we need a 7.

Elliott at 3 is interesting, has he ever played there in List A cricket?

I have been telling that NZ batting order at the moment has lot of hitters at the begininng; which we cant afford with this middle order. I know that Elliot is not a specialist No.3 but the at the moment, he is only one who can bat for some time sensibly at the top. He can protect Ross Taylor and the middle order against the new ball...

I cant understand why Ryder should be dropped down the order. He is the only batsman who can make use of the powerplays. McCullum for me may hits 2-3 boundaries and finally plays an ugly shot too early to get out. So, I think McCullum should come down the order and plays where he was doing well previously.

[Raghav]

Originally Posted by Naumaan

OK GUYS PREDICTION TIME
who's going to win Tomorrow, South Africa or Srilanka
my pick would be South Africa with ease

Sri Lanka

[baardslichten]

Originally Posted by Athlai

Interesting question.

The nearest in Tests for any player with 10'000 runs is Steve Waugh with 92 wickets.
The nearest in Tests for any player with 250 wickets is Kapil Dev with 5248 runs and then Botham with 5200.

Sanath Jayasuriya has 13343 runs in ODIs and 319 wickets.
The nearest after that in ODIs with 10'000 runs is Tendulkar with 154 wickets then Ganguly with 100.
Afridi has the most runs out of all players with 250+ wickets after Kallis and Jayasuriya in ODIs with 5715

Thanks for the info. Seems like Kallis is alone in achieving 10 000 runs and 250 wickets in both formats ( 3 wickets away) and no other player is close. Must say, Jayasuriya has a very impressive ODI record !
Kallis might put some people to sleep but when you wake up, you'll realize that he has this incredible all-rounder's record that's not gonna be beaten anytime soon!

Should be a great match today with four very good spinners included in the teams. I think the team that plays the spinners the best and keeps the run-rate up during the middle overs has the best chance.
This tournament is so short and almost every game becomes a must win. With the exception of WI, every team has a very realistic change of taking the trophy. Still, home conditions and current form put SA in the lead.

[Raghav]

Originally Posted by baardslichten

Thanks for the info. Seems like Kallis is alone in achieving 10 000 runs and 250 wickets in both formats ( 3 wickets away) and no other player is close. Must say, Jayasuriya has a very impressive ODI record !
Kallis might put some people to sleep but when you wake up, you'll realize that he has this incredible all-rounder's record that's not gonna be beaten anytime soon!

Should be a great match today with four very good spinners included in the teams. I think the team that plays the spinners the best and keeps the run-rate up during the middle overs has the best chance.
This tournament is so short and almost every game becomes a must win. With the exception of WI, every team has a very realistic change of taking the trophy. Still, home conditions and current form put SA in the lead.

You cant take WI out of the equation as well...Do you know that WI are the only team to go to the Finals of Mini World Cup thrice..... Surprises are common in a short format games

[baardslichten]

Originally Posted by Raghav

You cant take WI out of the equation as well...Do you know that WI are the only team to go to the Finals of Mini World Cup thrice..... Surprises are common in a short format games

I didn't know that and I would love to see them perform for a change, since they're a very exciting team to watch. But on current form and team selection ( don't they have like a second string team because of players' boycott or something?) , I can't see them progressing to the semi's..

[Raghav]

Originally Posted by baardslichten

I didn't know that and I would love to see them perform for a change, since they're a very exciting team to watch. But on current form and team selection ( don't they have like a second string team because of players' boycott or something?) , I can't see them progressing to the semi's..

Yes you are right. We may see an upcoming star for WI cricket in this series... Long Live West Indies Cricket

[andyc]

Originally Posted by Raghav

You cant take WI out of the equation as well...Do you know that WI are the only team to go to the Finals of Mini World Cup thrice..... Surprises are common in a short format games

Well yeah, but their current team is absolutely nowhere near their first string side, so I'd happily argue that any team history at the event is pretty much completely irrelevant.