Championless Trophy? - stop the bs and go

[Fusion]

That's a fair point but there is more than tentative suggestions for sometime now that the Pakistani military are 'assisting' the Taliban.

Suggestions that are coming out of Afghanistan. Again, if you look into the history of events here, it will become clear why there is such hostility between the present Afghanistan government and Pakistan. I will point to the fact that the United States effectively runs Afghanistan. The US has often accused Pakistan of not doing enough to go after terrorists (a point that is debatable but I digress), but has never accused Pakistan’s army of direct involvement. If they (the US) thought that was the case, I can guarantee you more than mere accusations would be leveled at Pakistan.

In regard to hosting the tournament I think what will disturb the ICC the most is when Pakistani police openly admit they can't guarantee players safety which they did only a few months ago - opting instead to outsource their security in an effort to provide more protection.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to here. From what I understand, Presidential level security has been offered to visiting teams, time and time again. The PCB has always guaranteed full security. In fact, they can say they’ve been pretty successful in that regard as no player has ever been hurt by a terrorist while touring Pakistan.

 

[TT Boy]

Suggestions that are coming out of Afghanistan. Again, if you look into the history of events here, it will become clear why there is such hostility between the present Afghanistan government and Pakistan. I will point to the fact that the United States effectively runs Afghanistan. The US has often accused Pakistan of not doing enough to go after terrorists (a point that is debatable but I digress), but has never accused Pakistan’s army of direct involvement. If they (the US) thought that was the case, I can guarantee you more than mere accusations would be leveled at Pakistan.

Its not just Afghanistan, there is jihadist sympathisers within the Pakistani military, evident in the revolt which occurred only a couple of years ago when the military protested against conflict with the Taliban in the North-West Frontier Province.

But the US are not going to openly criticise Pakistan considering President Musharraf and his military dictatorship (despite certain elements within it) is the only thing that is protecting the country from the Mullahs and a disintegrated Pakistan, which the US don’t want.

 

[FRAZ]

Its not just Afghanistan, there is jihadist sympathisers within the Pakistani military, evident in the revolt which occurred only a couple of years ago when the military protested against conflict with the Taliban in the North-West Frontier Province.

But the US are not going to openly criticise Pakistan considering President Musharraf and his military dictatorship (despite certain elements within it) is the only thing that is protecting the country from the Mullahs and a disintegrated Pakistan, which the US don’t want.

True . Actually these spoiled clowns from other rich Muslim countries when get deported from their own countries,tend to go to the remote areas like Afghanistan and that cursed and un-fortunate land has people who are already brain fed by their local mullahs and they just become fanatic recruits.
Islam has nothing to do with that and they actually use their own version of Islam to get more and and more poor recruits for their own causes . Not religious though but I gotta admit that every thing is happening as was predicted and a war will tame every one down . And that war is knocking at our doors, no matter where in the world we are at .
I don't blame any other country though and actually it's the poor planning and extra ridiculous human rights media rants which are hurdles in the way of current government who really wants to just pick all these rats and drown them some where near Antarctica.

 

[FRAZ]

Afghanistan is just like a dark door for Pakistan and any dark personality can enter in Pakistan . Although Pakistanis have done a lot for them and actually made a world record of holding and feeding the refugees from there but in return they are never praised by the Afghan population because they are brain fed for no apparent reason .

 

[FRAZ]

btw seriously why some ignorant people tend to mix up Afghanistan with Pakistan most of the times. They think all the people ride on donkeys in Karachi and Lahore for goodness sake .. I mean my ex-city's Porsche dealership set the world record of record sales in the first hour of opening .
My God man ! seriously haha I remember once a girl showed me her computer and said you know what it is .. I swear to God it happened like 7-8 years ago when I moved from Lahore to Toronto . hahahaha ....
And I replied OH MY GOD SO THIS IS COMPUTER ...... Then I sat on it and in search I typed jpg and showed her some cookies and some temporary internet jpg stored files from porno sites and she got so ****ing embarrassed.

 

[Smudge]

Why Fraz why?

 

[Athlai]

btw seriously why some ignorant people tend to mix up Afghanistan with Pakistan most of the times. They think all the people ride on donkeys in Karachi and Lahore for goodness sake .. I mean my ex-city's Porsche dealership set the world record of record sales in the first hour of opening .
My God man ! seriously haha I remember once a girl showed me her computer and said you know what it is .. I swear to God it happened like 7-8 years ago when I moved from Lahore to Toronto . hahahaha ....
And I replied OH MY GOD SO THIS IS COMPUTER ...... Then I sat on it and in search I typed jpg and showed her some cookies and some temporary internet jpg stored files from porno sites and she got so ****ing embarrassed.

Exact same thing happened to me when I went to Australia.

 

[honestbharani]

Exact same thing happened to me when I went to Australia.

still remember logging on to a yahoo chat room on abt the sitcom, friends and one American girl in the room IMed me.. "INdia??? Do they have computers there????"

 

[Matt79]

Not in India though.

Disagree tbh...

 

[Matt79]

Suggestions that are coming out of Afghanistan. Again, if you look into the history of events here, it will become clear why there is such hostility between the present Afghanistan government and Pakistan. I will point to the fact that the United States effectively runs Afghanistan. The US has often accused Pakistan of not doing enough to go after terrorists (a point that is debatable but I digress), but has never accused Pakistan’s army of direct involvement. If they (the US) thought that was the case, I can guarantee you more than mere accusations would be leveled at Pakistan.



I’m not sure what you’re referring to here. From what I understand, Presidential level security has been offered to visiting teams, time and time again. The PCB has always guaranteed full security. In fact, they can say they’ve been pretty successful in that regard as no player has ever been hurt by a terrorist while touring Pakistan.

Right, and remind me of how many assassination attempts have been made on Musharraf in recent years, and how close some of them came? Or how Benazir Bhutto's health is these days. I wouldn't find that offer particularly reassuring if I felt I was a likely target.

And since when do we take the PCB seriously in anything it guarantees?

 

[FRAZ]

Right, and remind me of how many assassination attempts have been made on Musharraf in recent years, and how close some of them came? Or how Benazir Bhutto's health is these days. I wouldn't find that offer particularly reassuring if I felt I was a likely target.

And since when do we take the PCB seriously in anything it guarantees?

Foreign players have never been targets and they have nothing to do with the locals attacking the locals . But anyways concern is a concern and it's definitely a matter of concern for other countries to think about the safety of their citizens traveling to any area like that in the world and they usually have cautions and precautions for their citizens and the matter is that those players are just like any other civilians in the eyes of the terrorists but the only difference is that the players have extra ordinary protection tbh . Why in the name of hell will the terrorists attack the players ?
The army , politicians and the police etc are the usual targets and that's it . Innocent civilians have never been their direct targets . Embassies and other government level officials can become the targets but I don't think that I would like to attack just the players or officials (If I'll think like a good terrorist) .

 

[Matt79]

Pakistani groups have attempted to kill Australians in Australia and have a ongoing desire to target Australian interests. Australia and the UK are the only two cricketing nations that are considered members of the war of terror, so the fact that teams from other countries have been there without being targeted is pretty irrelevant itbt. Although, unless memory fails, the Kiwis nearly got caught in a blast anyway...

 

[FRAZ]

Pakistani groups have attempted to kill Australians in Australia and have a ongoing desire to target Australian interests. Australia and the UK are the only two cricketing nations that are considered members of the war of terror, so the fact that teams from other countries have been there without being targeted is pretty irrelevant itbt. Although, unless memory fails, the Kiwis nearly got caught in a blast anyway...

I don't think that any purely Pakistan's governement based group has done that . We can call it Pakistani if the representatives of the govt have done some thing likr that . Oh so it's the matter of just being a Pakistani and a definate bad guy ?
All know that some Australians , Pakistanis too and some Americans too are part of terrorist AlQaeda so it's not just being a Pakistani issue it's just like being a bad common human issue .

 

[FRAZ]

Kiwis were not the targets I think . And yeah Tsunami has a chance to come too while playing in Windies .

 

[Matt79]

Kiwis were not the targets I think . And yeah Tsunami has a chance to come too while playing in Windies .

Still could have been killed.

 

[Matt79]

I don't think that any purely Pakistan's governement based group has done that . We can call it Pakistani if the representatives of the govt have done some thing likr that . Oh so it's the matter of just being a Pakistani and a definate bad guy ?
All know that some Australians , Pakistanis too and some Americans too are part of terrorist AlQaeda so it's not just being a Pakistani issue it's just like being a bad common human issue .

Didn't say that its a solely Pakistani issue, but there are groups that are based, funded and who operate out of Pakistan and that are predominantly made up of Pakistanis - some of those are ones that have, or have attempted to conduct attacks targeting Aussies or other members of the coalition of the willing, and those are the groups I meant when I said "Pakistani groups", which I acknowledge was a slightly inaccurate phrasing.

 

[FRAZ]

Didn't say that its a solely Pakistani issue, but there are groups that are based, funded and who operate out of Pakistan and that are predominantly made up of Pakistanis - some of those are ones that have, or have attempted to conduct attacks targeting Aussies or other members of the coalition of the willing, and those are the groups I meant when I said "Pakistani groups", which I acknowledge was a slightly inaccurate phrasing.

More than 50 million fans from Pakistan's different society groups wanna just stick to the television and watch the game. More than 70,000 fans wanna visit the stadiums to watch the game live and kids , old and young and women wanna watch the game plain and simple and they don't think about killing the players while enjoying watching the game and still ........
Whoes victory is in not visiting and who is going to suffer ?

 

[FRAZ]

Didn't say that its a solely Pakistani issue, but there are groups that are based, funded and who operate out of Pakistan and that are predominantly made up of Pakistanis - some of those are ones that have, or have attempted to conduct attacks targeting Aussies or other members of the coalition of the willing, and those are the groups I meant when I said "Pakistani groups", which I acknowledge was a slightly inaccurate phrasing.

What leaves me with all this categorization, who is not the member of made in Pakistan terror group ?

 

[FRAZ]

With whom should I be having my sympathies then ?

 

[FRAZ]

I'm not sure how? As a border dispute, the India - Pak issues are between each other and have nothing to do with the West. Pakistan clearly does has issues with the West so Aus has a right to be concerned..

When did Musharraf declare the war on west ?
For the dummies , Who is Pakistan's representative ? a. Alzarqawi b. Bin Laden c. Bush d. none of the above !!!!!!