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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    But they've toured everywhere else in the subcontinent. They've been to India for numerous ODI tours and the tests in 01 and 04. Went to SL too iirc.

    I don't really think CA is taking into account whether there's a Pakistani version of Home Nightclub in making its decision. Of course, some players might and if they do, then they're idiots.
    It is really hard to think there aren't other issues involved when they have been to other countries with similar issues and many times haven't even consider security. If Pakistan isn't safe now, then really no time in the last two decades has Sri Lanka been safe. But only once they have not toured. You got to ask why is that the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    Right now Sri Lanka would be more dangerous then Pakistan. Around the election time Pakistan was more dangerous. It is all realitive to the time frame. Overall they are about the same in certain parts and have been for decades.

    But really as long as you stay away from those parts you are safe enough in both.

    The point really is that if your not going to one country due to security concerns, then why are you going to another country when they have similar issues.
    Tell that to the 2001 NZ team.

    Bomb blast right outside their hotel room. Were lucky not to be killed. They had to be escorted from the hotel walking past people who had limbs blown off and dead people scattered all around.

    Not to mention having death threats sent to them before a tour because there was some religious month going on in Pakistan. What a joke.

    You wouldnt see me going, I value my life more than a game of cricket...and i'd prefer my limbs attached to my body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polo23 View Post
    Tell that to the 2001 NZ team.

    Bomb blast right outside their hotel room. Were lucky not to be killed. They had to be escorted from the hotel walking past people who had limbs blown off and dead people scattered all around.
    Not to mention having death threats sent to them before a tour because there was some religious month going on in Pakistan. What a joke.

    You wouldnt see me going, I value my life more than a game of cricket...and i'd prefer my limbs attached to my body.
    I like the description of the situation (I mean the words that are used ) tbh !!!
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    NZC confirms touring Pakistan: PCB official
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    KARACHI: The New Zealand Cricket has assured its Pakistani counterparts it will undertake a short tour before the Champions Trophy despite security concerns being voiced by some of its players.

    A senior PCB official said on Tuesday that New Zealand's tour was very much on and the Champions Trophy would also be held on schedule in Pakistan.

    "So far New Zealand have confirmed the tour and we have heard nothing from the International Cricket Council indicating they are thinking about taking the tournament to some other venue," the official said.

    New Zealand are due to tour Pakistan from August 20 to play three One-Day Internationals prior to the eight-nation tournament.

    Their matches have been restricted to Faisalabad and Multan, the two small venues in the province of Punjab.

    Some New Zealand players including allrounder Jacob Oram have voiced concerns over touring Pakistan because of the uncertain security conditions.

    The ICC is also carrying out extensive security checks and monitoring for the tournament with another delegation visiting Lahore on Tuesday.

    The PCB official admitted that the New Zealand team's tour would be the final test case for the Champions Trophy to be held on schedule.

    "Their tour will pave the way for the tournament to be held in Pakistan," he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    Right now Sri Lanka would be more dangerous then Pakistan. Around the election time Pakistan was more dangerous. It is all realitive to the time frame. Overall they are about the same in certain parts and have been for decades.

    But really as long as you stay away from those parts you are safe enough in both.

    The point really is that if your not going to one country due to security concerns, then why are you going to another country when they have similar issues.
    I think that's the point. IIRC two tours ago was hot on the heels of the Afghan war kicking off, and early this year was close to the election. The NZ development is a positive one though - I understood they were being guided by the same security guys as Aus and England. Not sure it that's so, but if it is, and NZ are going, you'd think it makes it more likely Australia and England will too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Meh, it'll get moved, Pakistan will get shafted again and all will be rosy. Can't see how a global split is in anyone's best interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duffer View Post
    Meh, it'll get moved, Pakistan will get shafted again and all will be rosy. Can't see how a global split is in anyone's best interests.
    Yeah pretty much what I figure will happen. Too much money involved to risk a split. Countries like Pakistan, with an incompetent board and weak teams, will continue to take it up the backside. Might as well get used to it I suppose.

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    Okay..Have been meaning to post this.

    I recently had an opportunity to interview with US Army for a Consultant Position in Iraq, very, very lucrative contract (Initially for 1 year, after selection and Background Checks etc etc). For a moment I thought about the money but very next thought was my family, my two kids, 4 & 2, my wife and my parents and (somewhat uninformed) situation in Iraq. Both my heart and head - immidiately said NO.

    Now I am not saying the situation in Pakistan is similar to Iraq nor do I want to influence others' opinion on the subject, but just stating that this one small incident has changed my stance on the subject forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz View Post
    Okay..Have been meaning to post this.

    I recently had an opportunity to interview with US Army for a Consultant Position in Iraq, very, very lucrative contract (Initially for 1 year, after selection and Background Checks etc etc). For a moment I thought about the money but very next thought was my family, my two kids, 4 & 2, my wife and my parents and (somewhat uninformed) situation in Iraq. Both my heart and head - immidiately said NO.

    Now I am not saying the situation in Pakistan is similar to Iraq nor do I want to influence others' opinion on the subject, but just stating that this one small incident has changed my stance on the subject forever.
    Sanz Ė I respect your decision and can understand your reasoning. However, like you pointed out, the situation in Pakistan and Iraq is not the same. There is a full on civil war + insurgency taking place in Iraq. There are terrorist groups in Pakistan, but the level of violence is nowhere close. Also, you as an indidual will not be getting the state-level security that players in Pakistan will get. I will argue that while you may be a specific target in Iraq (as someone who is working for the US army even in civilian capacity might be), the cricket players have never been perceived as targets. My whole point is that Pakistan is safe to tour and the tournament should take place there. Now if individual players want to pull-out, thatís their decision and I will respect it. Letís play the tournament with those willing to travel to Pakistan is all Iím asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz View Post
    Okay..Have been meaning to post this.

    I recently had an opportunity to interview with US Army for a Consultant Position in Iraq, very, very lucrative contract (Initially for 1 year, after selection and Background Checks etc etc). For a moment I thought about the money but very next thought was my family, my two kids, 4 & 2, my wife and my parents and (somewhat uninformed) situation in Iraq. Both my heart and head - immidiately said NO.

    Now I am not saying the situation in Pakistan is similar to Iraq nor do I want to influence others' opinion on the subject, but just stating that this one small incident has changed my stance on the subject forever.
    Its amazing how some people can manage to come to such a ridiculous conclusion.
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    ESPN now probably be the big player in this. Papers reporting that they don't want weakened sides being sent over, so may push for the trophy to be moved to prevent this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godofcricket View Post
    Its amazing how some people can manage to come to such a ridiculous conclusion.
    Not for me sir. Although, I can understand why you would think so.

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    Champions Trophy stays in Pakistan

    Iím obviously pleased with the decision. I hope that all players will chose to attend. However if they donít, I will respect their decision no matter how much I disagree with it.

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    I wonder if it was based on proper security reports and analysis or just a vote along the traditional lines.

    Hopefully the Australian players won't decide as a group to go or boycott and the decision is made on an individual basis. Am looking forward to it, especially after the 2006 CT, which was a great tournament.
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