Championless Trophy? - stop the bs and go

[FRAZ]

Originally Posted by Fusion

Inaccurate comparison. Musharraf and Bhutto were specific targets. In the case of Musharraf, he’s probably the biggest target in all of Pakistan. As for Bhutto, she would still be alive (just like Musharraf), if she had followed the advice of the security provided to her. She was campaigning in an open area that could not be fully secured, and where a previous high-profile assassination had taken place already. Frankly, it was utter stupidity for her to go there in the first place. She could’ve easily campaigned from more secure locations, or just through the media (which was covering her every move, hence giving her unprecedented face time at the expense of the other candidates).

The foreign cricket teams have never been targeted in Pakistan. AFAIK, Ponting or the other players have no desire to become PM of Pakistan so they will not be attending political rallies. The teams will be staying in secure locations, where no random person will be allowed near them. Your quote about PCB’s guarantee not amounting to much is also misleading. It is the government of Pakistan that is guaranteeing the player’s safety, and they have a completely successful record in that regard. India (not the darlings of any extremists for sure) have toured many times without incident, as have England, South Africa, Sri Lanka and the Windies. How many successful tours must take place before Pakistan is deemed to be safe?

That's what I was trying to convey in my own language in like my 50 posts in this thread . Thanks for the translation Fusion !!!

[Fusion]

Originally Posted by FRAZ

That's what I was trying to convey in my own language in like my 50 posts in this thread . Thanks for the translation Fusion !!!

You're welcome Fraz, you're welcome. Alas I believe that my words, much like yours, are unsuccessful at convincing the doubters.

[FRAZ]

Originally Posted by WhatisRight

Also its amazing how people in the west only think about extremism, terrorism and how muslim countries are not helping in the cause of a peaceful world and everything that the british and american army have done i.e. killed thousands and thousands of innocent civilians, lying about a threat being present in iraq (WOMD) got away with all of that and are still in iraq and afghanistan killing people. WOW.

That's the conception in most of the people's brain but still as Richard said that we should be careful in expressing our opinions . Problem isn't U.S. over here or let's say even U.K. I don't think that U.K's government is a farce all together . I believe that they comprise of some very very very good individuals but they got some bad eggs too .
I admire U.S. for many reasons but in the mean time I don't agree with the free killing resulting in more and more terrorism and I also disagree with the U.S policy of ignoring the helpers and just using them for their own causes .
U.S.A always respects the people with some specialized skill and I just love U.S.A. for that and for me if there is a real paradise or let's say a land of opportunities in the world then it's U.S.A. They have the least amount of trash and racists (per capita ratio) . I have some white females in my family and I am so proud to have them in my family and they are not like the usual junky trash or racist Internet clowns and they are literate and they are my family and that's all I have to say . People are not the same but the shottable ugly sarcastic and racist bunch is all the same . And they are so few in number and the problem is that the sane portion of the society also doesn't give a **** about them and they are usually from bizarre families and are usually broke and they just try to impose their personal miseries upon others . And there are some other clowns too who are always socially active against only a certain object or let's say a country and haha they have a complex as if they are haha light skinned but they are not and they pretend to be one on Internet specially and one can assess their ugly faces and nature by their writings on different social issues .
People are not the same my friend .

[FRAZ]

Originally Posted by Fusion

You're welcome Fraz, you're welcome. Alas I believe that my words, much like yours, are unsuccessful at convincing the doubters.

haha And this is the problem that they will never be convinced like there was a thread here and a guy or a shemale said that "stop producing ******** and world will stop pointing fingers " . He was warned by all my honorable CW staff over here but that retard isn't changed or convinced and even if one will answer him with logic , he will wait and then try some thing new at some other incident .
Damn man they are all the same (I mean bad eggs ).

[Shaggy Alfresco]

Originally Posted by WhatisRight

Thats the power of the media i guess. Look at how they made osama a hero during the soviet war when america needed help from afghanistan, now they made him a terrorist. Double standards everywhere.

OBL was never a "hero" during the Afghan war, he was a minor mujahadeen, I doubt if he was even on the CIA's radar until the embassy bombings in 1998.

[nightprowler10]

Originally Posted by Shaggy Alfresco

OBL was never a "hero" during the Afghan war, he was a minor mujahadeen, I doubt if he was even on the CIA's radar until the embassy bombings in 1998.

Have absolutely nothing to add to this but would like to point out that mujahideen is plural, mujahid is what you're looking for. Also, please don't insult mujahideen throughout the history of Islam by calling him one (though I suppose it doesn't help that the majority does call him that). Could also say that calling him a mujahid is akin to calling him a hero.

[duffer]

Watching some interviews on FSN here Michael Clarke was saying that they'll leave it up to CA, while Shane Watson says he'll go anywhere, even pakistan to play. Good man.

[Shaggy Alfresco]

Originally Posted by nightprowler10

Have absolutely nothing to add to this but would like to point out that mujahideen is plural, mujahid is what you're looking for. Also, please don't insult mujahideen throughout the history of Islam by calling him one (though I suppose it doesn't help that the majority does call him that). Could also say that calling him a mujahid is akin to calling him a hero.

You're right (I don't know about the specifics of arabic grammar), but his assertation was that the US made Osama a hero. Which is false.

[Burgey]

Originally Posted by Aamir Alauddin

Just show some money to Aussies, they would be available to play even in hell. Another thing, their era of being the champion is over. Now they need such scandals to gain the popularity.

Look, I duno if you're 8, 18 or 80 but that's just a stupid, stupid post. Explain how they gain in popularity by not going to the CT in Pakistan. I'm really, really looking forward to hearing that argument, along with your reasons for saying their era of being champion is over.

Originally Posted by Aamir Alauddin

Throw some money for these characterless Aussies, they all would be playing domestic cricket in Pakistan.

Which is why the likes of Johnson, Haddin and Clarke didn't go to the IPL right?

Originally Posted by Aamir Alauddin

Sri Lanka is the most vulnerable place tbh. By the way all the Aussies would be available to play even in Afghanistan if some good money is offered.

Wish you'd go and play in Kandihar, tbh.

Originally Posted by Aamir Alauddin

Conduct an IPL type of tournament in Pakistan, they all would be in Pakistan.

Originally Posted by WhatisRight

Its only australia who seem to always have this problem. NZ toured after a couple of years even when there was a bomb blast near the hotel where they were staying. England, SA, Sri Lanka, India....you name it they havent got such a big problem. Are australians really soo scared? I seriously cant believe PCB taking soo much liberties.

Australia has missed it's past two tours to Pakistan. IIRC the first was due not very long after the war in Afghanistan had started and there was a large level of instability in the region, combined with reports that a number of extremists were operating in and from Pakistan. Not saying those reports were right, just saying they were there. The last one was "deferred" owing to the violence around election time. It's all very well to say other countries toured at times which may not have been as troubled, but it's not apples and apples you're comparing if you do.
As for the crap in the above posts about throwing money at people and they'll play anywhere - the incumbent Aussie ODI captain knocked back playing in the recent IPL, as did Johnson and Haddin. Don't lumber everyone who refuses to go somewhere with the tag of a mercenary, it's odious. Likewsie, MacGill refused to tour Zimbabwe for political reasons. No doubt he'd have made a lot more $ had he gone.

Anyway, there are reports here that each of England, NZ and Australia (not sure about SA) are going to be relying on the same security fella's report on the situation in Pakistan before deciding whether to go or not. In the event that it comes back unfavourably, I have no doubt that balanced posters such as Aamir will treat everyone's refusal to play in exactly the same light - not.

[duffer]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Look, I duno if you're 8, 18 or 80 but that's just a stupid, stupid post. Explain how they gain in popularity by not going to the CT in Pakistan. I'm really, really looking forward to hearing that argument, along with your reasons for saying their era of being champion is over.

Which is why the likes of Johnson, Haddin and Clarke didn't go to the IPL right?

Wish you'd go and play in Kandihar, tbh.




Australia has missed it's past two tours to Pakistan. IIRC the first was due not very long after the war in Afghanistan had started and there was a large level of instability in the region, combined with reports that a number of extremists were operating in and from Pakistan. Not saying those reports were right, just saying they were there. The last one was "deferred" owing to the violence around election time. It's all very well to say other countries toured at times which may not have been as troubled, but it's not apples and apples you're comparing if you do.
As for the crap in the above posts about throwing money at people and they'll play anywhere - the incumbent Aussie ODI captain knocked back playing in the recent IPL, as did Johnson and Haddin. Don't lumber everyone who refuses to go somewhere with the tag of a mercenary, it's odious. Likewsie, MacGill refused to tour Zimbabwe for political reasons. No doubt he'd have made a lot more $ had he gone.

Anyway, there are reports here that each of England, NZ and Australia (not sure about SA) are going to be relying on the same security fella's report on the situation in Pakistan before deciding whether to go or not. In the event that it comes back unfavourably, I have no doubt that balanced posters such as Aamir will treat everyone's refusal to play in exactly the same light - not.

Dunno why you bothered responding to all that.

[four_or_six]

Originally Posted by duffer

Watching some interviews on FSN here Michael Clarke was saying that they'll leave it up to CA, while Shane Watson says he'll go anywhere, even pakistan to play. Good man.

Hope if Aus pull out everyone doesn't jump on Shane Watson about staying in Jaipur then.

To be honest, I'd expect most of the young players to be quite happy to go, it'll be the older ones who are more reticent.

[duffer]

Originally Posted by four_or_six

Hope if Aus pull out everyone doesn't jump on Shane Watson about staying in Jaipur then.

To be honest, I'd expect most of the young players to be quite happy to go, it'll be the older ones who are more reticent.

I was in India at the time of the Jaipur blast and from what I saw people were more pissed off at Berry's comments about India rather than the supposed hypocrisy of the players wrt Pakistan. Heard very little criticising of the players from people at work etc.

[Laurrz]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Look, I duno if you're 8, 18 or 80 but that's just a stupid, stupid post. Explain how they gain in popularity by not going to the CT in Pakistan. I'm really, really looking forward to hearing that argument, along with your reasons for saying their era of being champion is over.

Agreed - hate posts like that tbh

[Laurrz]

Oh 30 man squad has been named - including Tait... a ridiculous amount actually - would be a bit pointless

anyway they're wittling it down to 15

mine would be

Hayden
Watson
Ponting*
Clarke (vc)
Symonds
M Hussey
Haddin+
Lee
Johnson
Hauritz
Bracken
-----
Marsh
Clark
Ronchi+
D Hussey

[four_or_six]

Originally Posted by Laurrz

Oh 30 man squad has been named - including Tait... a ridiculous amount actually - would be a bit pointless

anyway they're wittling it down to 15

mine would be

Hayden
Watson
Ponting*
Clarke (vc)
Symonds
M Hussey
Haddin+
Lee
Johnson
Hauritz
Bracken
-----
Marsh
Clark
Ronchi+
D Hussey

Quite a fall from grace for Hopes there...