Sachin reacts to the presentation

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by Sanz

(For members who understand Hindi/Urdu)-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vvwTc1Lmv4&NR

I love how the media showed the "Martyn push" six or seven times to make sure the viewers got incensed and enraged as hell.
Then they go on to say how Pawar's insult is an insult to India, Indian cricket and every Indian.

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Originally Posted by adharcric

I can guarantee you that many others would.

Oh really? I never would have known...

[Anil]

i saw the footage and still don't see what the big deal is....they didn't exactly push him off the podium, more like a gentle nudge on the back and he didn't seem to be unduly bothered by it as well...

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by Slow Love™

Well, they were laughing, and he appeared to take it in good humor.

Reversing the situation is kinda pointless, given that this is obviously something of a cultural difference (and I'm being a bit generous with that assessment, 'cause obviously there are Indians not offended by it at all). I imagined the situation reversed initially when I viewed the footage, and I couldn't see any difference, to be honest. The only exception I could think of would be if it involved somebody already intensely disliked in Australia, where the media would be looking to beat it up and make a bigger deal of it than it was. But that would still be the media's issue, rather than that of the people on stage. If it could have happened to our PM, it would have been perfect, but I would have found it funny if it had happened to someone like Richie Benaud too.

Regardless of what you say, it was a rude, inappropriate and childish gesture by the Australians. I can understand that they were overjoyed by victory and all that, but that's no excuse to lose your sense of respect. It's not even about respect for elders ... just respect, period. This shouldn't be blown overboard if the Aussies understand the small mistake they made. As for Pawar taking it the right way, that's a reflection of his behavior and not the Aussies'.

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by Slow Love™

Well, they were laughing, and he appeared to take it in good humor.

Reversing the situation is kinda pointless, given that this is obviously something of a cultural difference (and I'm being a bit generous with that assessment, 'cause obviously there are Indians not offended by it at all). I imagined the situation reversed initially when I viewed the footage, and I couldn't see any difference, to be honest. The only exception I could think of would be if it involved somebody already intensely disliked in Australia, where the media would be looking to beat it up and make a bigger deal of it than it was. But that would still be the media's issue, rather than that of the people on stage. If it could have happened to our PM, it would have been perfect, but I would have found it funny if it had happened to someone like Richie Benaud too.

I wasn't talking about you personally, but in gneral how something like this would have been taken in Australia is someone like Ganguly/Ranatunga/Inzi did to president of Cricket Australia.

Looking at how much bad press and fan hatred Ganguly got for allegedly making Steve Waugh wait for few minutes, I think it would be really bad.

[Nnanden]

In pretty much every major tournament I have seen, whoever hands over the trophy does so, and buggers off. Pawar was unsure what to do, Martyn gently showed him the way off and the photographs were taken.

The use of the word pushed is so un-needed. Evokes an image of Martyn shoulder-barging Pawar off the stage, grabbing the trophy mid-flight and yelling abuse at the crowd.

[Sanz]

Originally Posted by adharcric

I love how the media showed the "Martyn push" six or seven times to make sure the viewers got incensed and enraged as hell.
Then they go on to say how Pawar's insult is an insult to India, Indian cricket and every Indian.

Well, you know how the media is. They dont have anything better to report, so stretch non-issues like this and bore people to death.

[Nnanden]

Originally Posted by adharcric

Regardless of what you say, it was a rude, inappropriate and childish gesture by the Australians. I can understand that they were overjoyed by victory and all that, but that's no excuse to lose your sense of respect. It's not even about respect for elders ... just respect, period. This shouldn't be blown overboard if the Aussies understand the small mistake they made. As for Pawar taking it the right way, that's a reflection of his behavior and not the Aussies'.

Ponting initiated a hand-shake and posed for a photograph with Pawar still holding onto the trophy. That`s more than most trophy-presenters get. Pawar was standing right in front of the team. He was guided out of the way. Gah.

[Slow Love™]

Originally Posted by adharcric

Regardless of what you say, it was a rude, inappropriate and childish gesture by the Australians. I can understand that they were overjoyed by victory and all that, but that's no excuse to lose your sense of respect. It's not even about respect for elders ... just respect, period. This shouldn't be blown overboard if the Aussies understand that they made a small mistake.

Eh, maybe. I guess I just don't get it. Sincerely, it's not like I'm averse to criticising the Australian team's behaviour, particularly Ponting. But I really think there is nothing in this. I guess we will just have to disagree on this, 'cause my purpose is certainly not to ridicule people who were offended, even if I just don't really see why you would be.

Perhaps the Aussie team will issue a token apology to smooth things over, given that it seems a misunderstanding has occurred. But I genuinely don't think there was a problem here, before the press decided to beat it up.

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by Sanz

Well, you know how the media is. They dont have anything better to report, so stretch non-issues like this and bore people to death.

Then they showed the results of a poll asking whether Martyn had insulted India and 96% said yes.

[adharcric]

Originally Posted by Slow Love™

Eh, maybe. I guess I just don't get it. Sincerely, it's not like I'm averse to criticising the Australian team's behaviour, particularly Ponting. But I really think there is nothing in this. I guess we will just have to disagree on this, 'cause my purpose is certainly not to ridicule people who were offended, even if I just don't really see why you would be.

Perhaps the Aussie team will issue a token apology to smooth things over, given that it seems a misunderstanding has occurred. But I genuinely don't think there was a problem here, before the press decided to beat it up.

Pretty much. Ponting and Martyn got a little caught up in victory celebrations but it's not a big deal and certainly nothing close to what the media is making it out to be. End of story.
I have more to say, especially in response to Nnanden, but I'll shut up to avoid further discussion.

[Slow Love™]

Originally Posted by Sanz

I wasn't talking about you personally, but in gneral how something like this would have been taken in Australia is someone like Ganguly/Ranatunga/Inzi did to president of Cricket Australia.

Looking at how much bad press and fan hatred Ganguly got for allegedly making Steve Waugh wait for few minutes, I think it would be really bad.

I kinda wonder at the purpose of asking me how other people would react, but in general in Australia, this kind of thing isn't taken that seriously, because of the whole larrikin ideal. Granted, I could see a section of the media trying to beat it up, and you may even see a section of the population get up in arms about it, but the majority of us would be laughing and wishing they'd stop embarrassing us. You can never say nobody will be offended.

But we're talking about a country where an earlier PM put his hand on the queen's ass, and around half the population thought that was cool (and funny). And that's a far more serious breach of protocol than this could ever be.

[Jono]

Apparently Gavaskar is too a little upset, particularly with the fact that when one player received his medal he went "Hiya Buddy" to Pawar.

I've got $5 it was Watson, just seems something the jackass would do.

[Slow Love™]

The thing that still gets me about that presentation is, how on EARTH did Watson pinch the MOM from Bracken? I was absolutely shocked.

[dontcloseyoureyes]

If it was picked without seeing the game, I could easily see how Watson could get it. But yeah, Bracken should've won it.

In other news, effigies of Martyn to be burnt in the street?