Watson wants to open the batting - Page 2

Nnanden · 16-10-2006, 07:14 AM

Good temporary fix for mine.

Perm · 16-10-2006, 11:11 PM

Steve Waugh sticking up for Simon Katich. He beleives that Katich should be given another chance because he hasn't played to his potential and has gone into his shell.

FaaipDeOiad · 16-10-2006, 11:16 PM

This was already discussed in the DLF Cup thread, but I think the best spot for Watson in the long-term is certainly number 4, and Martyn should go before Katich does. Martyn's done nothing of note in ODIs for some time, while Katich was the top runscorer in the VB Series and has basically only had one bad series since he started opening the batting.

If Katich is also dropped, I'd still like to see Watson at 4 and someone like Jaques opening.

luffy · 16-10-2006, 11:20 PM

Hopefully Katich still plays in the team. He may be a slowish scorer but he is consistent. Even saying that i would like to see Jaques or Watson as another opener.

Johnners · 17-10-2006, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

This was already discussed in the DLF Cup thread, but I think the best spot for Watson in the long-term is certainly number 4, and Martyn should go before Katich does. Martyn's done nothing of note in ODIs for some time, while Katich was the top runscorer in the VB Series and has basically only had one bad series since he started opening the batting.

If Katich is also dropped, I'd still like to see Watson at 4 and someone like Jaques opening.

Spot on IMO

I will admit to earlier wanting to see Katich dropped straight away. This was until i found out that he is our Highest ODI run getter in 2006 with 783 runs @ 39.15. Whilst his strike rate is only 64.44, given the fact that he has been consistently getting runs, it should've been enough to give him at least until after the CT to up the strike-rate.

Martyn on the other Hand, has scored just 414 runs @ 25.87, with a s/r of 75.68. His lack of form has probably hurt us more than Katich's scoring rate for the simple fact that he is selling his wicket for less. If Martyn were to go, and Watson to bat at 4, this would also give him much more freedom in bowling a full allotment of 10 overs if required, something i think he'll find hard to do if he is to permanently take over the opening role. Allowing Watson to bowl his full 10 overs also then allows us to play Brad Hogg more often, and give us a more potent attack.

Given that imo Jaques has been the best List A batsmen in Aust. domestic cricket for the past two seasons, he should be the next in-line to break into the Batting Line-up. Whilst he may not be as technically correct as Watson, his strokeplay is simply outstanding. If he were to open with Gilly, imo the batting line-up would be far more intimidating, especially if both stay around for at least the first 15 overs, chances are Ponting, Watson, Symonds Clarke & Hussey will have a 100 run platform to build upon regularly.

The Baconator · 17-10-2006, 02:38 PM

Watson to open batting

Tim · 18-10-2006, 10:32 PM

Watson's a joke...I can't believe Australia of all teams allowed him to open. Australia were probably thought to be the last team to try make-shift openers over specialists. There's no need to put him up there when they have Jacques, Katich and Hayden.

dontcloseyoureyes · 18-10-2006, 10:39 PM

Can Jaques, Katich or Hayden provide another good seam bowling option allowing Australia to play Brad Hogg more often?

Tim · 18-10-2006, 10:44 PM

Well ok then, if you want poor batting starts...then i'm sure the rest of us won't be complaining

dontcloseyoureyes · 18-10-2006, 10:57 PM

The fact that he played a poor shot yesterday proves nothing. Everybody plays a poor shot now and then. Even Ponting did, who is arguably the best batsman in the world at the moment. I fail to see after one bad shot a guy can be classified as useless.

Tim · 18-10-2006, 11:07 PM

I never said he was useless, although I admit I probably should have phrased it as "Watson's a joke to open the innings"

I just get the feeling that teams will be eyeing him as an early wicket. Everytime I have seen him bat he looks as though he could go out cheaply. Compared to someone like Hayden who I thought didn't give a stuff about who he was facing and never ever looked intimidated against any bowler.

dontcloseyoureyes · 18-10-2006, 11:21 PM

Watson has one of the best techniques against the fast men in the Australian side, as well as having a solid mental side to his game, and I can see him being successful opening the innings if given a decent run. Despite that, I still think Jaques should open and Martyn should make way for Watson at 4, which I see as his ideal batting position in the Australian OD (considering he's never going to take the #3 spot), but it's doesn't seem like it's going to happen soon.

I'm quite happy for Watson to open the innings for Australia, at least until they drop Martyn. One thing he does need to do is turn those graceful looking 70's into 120's and 130's if he's going to open the innings.

pietersenrocks · 20-10-2006, 08:37 AM

I think Katich will be the better option 'coz he is a solid player and Gilchrist is very fast so it will be a good combination.

open365 · 20-10-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pietersenrocks

I think Katich will be the better option 'coz he is a solid player and Gilchrist is very fast so it will be a good combination.

Why not just have Jaques/Hayden and Gilchrist?

3 players who imo coual all average higher and have a better strike rate than Katich.

Mr Mxyzptlk · 20-10-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Clapo

The problem arises though if Australia bats 2nd... if he's bowled 10 overs his batting is definetly going to suffer. IMO he's best suited at 4, this way he can still effectively juggle batting & bowling without 1 having to much of an impact on the other.

Opening may work when batting 1st, for the reason the DCYE pointed out above, but i see it being a dilema when we bat second.

And if Australia bat second and he's bowled 10, just let someone else open. You have to have flexibility with your batting lineup.

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FaaipDeOiad Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 18,682	This was already discussed in the DLF Cup thread, but I think the best spot for Watson in the long-term is certainly number 4, and Martyn should go before Katich does. Martyn's done nothing of note in ODIs for some time, while Katich was the top runscorer in the VB Series and has basically only had one bad series since he started opening the batting. If Katich is also dropped, I'd still like to see Watson at 4 and someone like Jaques opening. __________________ I know a place where a royal flush Can never beat a pair

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16-10-2006, 11:20 PM	#19 (permalink)
luffy International Captain Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: **** Posts: 5,353	Hopefully Katich still plays in the team. He may be a slowish scorer but he is consistent. Even saying that i would like to see Jaques or Watson as another opener.

17-10-2006, 02:38 PM	#21 (permalink)
The Baconator International Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sutton Coldfield Posts: 4,413	Watson to open batting

18-10-2006, 10:32 PM	#22 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	Watson's a joke...I can't believe Australia of all teams allowed him to open. Australia were probably thought to be the last team to try make-shift openers over specialists. There's no need to put him up there when they have Jacques, Katich and Hayden.

18-10-2006, 10:44 PM	#24 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	Well ok then, if you want poor batting starts...then i'm sure the rest of us won't be complaining

18-10-2006, 10:57 PM	#25 (permalink)
dontcloseyoureyes BARNES OUT Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WILDCARD, BITCHES Posts: 27,702	The fact that he played a poor shot yesterday proves nothing. Everybody plays a poor shot now and then. Even Ponting did, who is arguably the best batsman in the world at the moment. I fail to see after one bad shot a guy can be classified as useless.

18-10-2006, 11:07 PM	#26 (permalink)
Tim Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Auckland Posts: 7,888	I never said he was useless, although I admit I probably should have phrased it as "Watson's a joke to open the innings" I just get the feeling that teams will be eyeing him as an early wicket. Everytime I have seen him bat he looks as though he could go out cheaply. Compared to someone like Hayden who I thought didn't give a stuff about who he was facing and never ever looked intimidated against any bowler.

18-10-2006, 11:21 PM	#27 (permalink)
dontcloseyoureyes BARNES OUT Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WILDCARD, BITCHES Posts: 27,702	Watson has one of the best techniques against the fast men in the Australian side, as well as having a solid mental side to his game, and I can see him being successful opening the innings if given a decent run. Despite that, I still think Jaques should open and Martyn should make way for Watson at 4, which I see as his ideal batting position in the Australian OD (considering he's never going to take the #3 spot), but it's doesn't seem like it's going to happen soon. I'm quite happy for Watson to open the innings for Australia, at least until they drop Martyn. One thing he does need to do is turn those graceful looking 70's into 120's and 130's if he's going to open the innings.

20-10-2006, 08:37 AM	#28 (permalink)
pietersenrocks U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: India Posts: 527	I think Katich will be the better option 'coz he is a solid player and Gilchrist is very fast so it will be a good combination.

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