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    i would have thought the team picked itself.

    1, Vincent
    2, Fleming
    3, Astle
    4, Fulton
    5, Styris
    6, Oram
    7, McCullum
    8, Vettori
    9, Franklin
    10, Mills
    11, Bond

    first variation for more batting bring Marshall IN and Mills OUT.
    and 2nd, on turning pitch Patel IN and Mills OUT.

    Apparently Gillespie is Bond's understudy so not sure if they will play both of them together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donaldduck
    Apparently Gillespie is Bond's understudy so not sure if they will play both of them together.

    I desperately hope they do play Bond and Gillespie together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donaldduck
    i would have thought the team picked itself.

    1, Vincent
    2, Fleming
    3, Astle
    4, Fulton
    5, Styris
    6, Oram
    7, McCullum
    8, Vettori
    9, Franklin
    10, Mills
    11, Bond
    Im not really a fan of Franklin in the ODIs, sure you get his extra batting but I'd rather be chasing a lower total.
    Heres mine..
    1.Vincent
    2.Astle
    3.Fleming
    4.Fulton
    5.Marshall
    6.McCullum
    7.Vettori
    8.Mills
    9.Bond
    10.Patel
    11.Gillespie

    I know its pretty similar to some other ones, I just like the idea of Vettori and Patel working together in the middle overs and maybe having Patel around at the death too. Astle provides a good backup bowler too, I just dont feel Orams batting in ODIs warrants his inclusion in a batting position and I also want to give Gillespie a crack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donaldduck
    i would have thought the team picked itself.

    1, Vincent
    2, Fleming
    3, Astle
    4, Fulton
    5, Styris
    6, Oram
    7, McCullum
    8, Vettori
    9, Franklin
    10, Mills
    11, Bond

    first variation for more batting bring Marshall IN and Mills OUT.
    and 2nd, on turning pitch Patel IN and Mills OUT.

    Apparently Gillespie is Bond's understudy so not sure if they will play both of them together.
    I don't quite see how Franklin and Oram pick themselves. In tests, yes, but they've both got atrocious ODI records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedarkmullet
    Im not really a fan of Franklin in the ODIs, sure you get his extra batting but I'd rather be chasing a lower total.
    Heres mine..
    1.Vincent
    2.Astle
    3.Fleming
    4.Fulton
    5.Marshall
    6.McCullum
    7.Vettori
    8.Mills
    9.Bond
    10.Patel
    11.Gillespie

    I know its pretty similar to some other ones, I just like the idea of Vettori and Patel working together in the middle overs and maybe having Patel around at the death too. Astle provides a good backup bowler too, I just dont feel Orams batting in ODIs warrants his inclusion in a batting position and I also want to give Gillespie a crack.
    That's too light on batting IMO. I know that Vettori, Mills, Bond and even Patel aren't mugs with the bat, but would you really feel confident if we needed say 50 off 50 and had 6 wickets down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Redman
    That's too light on batting IMO. I know that Vettori, Mills, Bond and even Patel aren't mugs with the bat, but would you really feel confident if we needed say 50 off 50 and had 6 wickets down?
    You have a point, I guess thats where Styris or Oram would come in handy. Back in the day I would have been sweet knowing that Cairns was there to keep the run rate up at the death....I'd still like to see them have a go with experimenting in the bowling order. Its gotta be important to have back up for when Bond breaks down halfway thru the world cup.

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    Would a side really be more likely to win needing 50 from 50 with only 4 wickets left?
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    In NZ's case I think they'd feel pretty confident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Would a side really be more likely to win needing 50 from 50 with only 4 wickets left?
    If our lower order looks like this (likely side IMO, though not what I'd pick):
    7) McCullum
    8) Franklin
    9) Vettori
    10) Mills
    11) Bond

    Then we should cruise home. Even if we replaced Franklin with Gillespie or Patel then I'd still back us to win.

    EDIT: Oh, and if we've got someone from the top order still in - say Astle or Fleming who have done it plenty of times before - then it becomes far easier.

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    Dissapointed Ryder and Taylor arent there .......But, on the plus side, a new face in Gillespie.
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    Dissapointed Ryder and Taylor arent there .......But, on the plus side, a new face in Gillespie.

    My starting 11

    Vincent
    Astle
    Fleming
    Fulton
    Marshall
    Oram
    McCullum
    Vettori
    Franklin
    Gillespie
    Bond


    A new bowler gives us the chance to replace Mills, who does alright, but is a pedestrian medium pacer.......Why Franklin?????. over Mills???.. simply more potential, both arent world beaters and probably never will be but Franklin seems to bowl the odd unplayable delivery to get good batsmen out, clean bowling Jaques Kallis in SA recently and such, whereas Mills seems to wait for the batsman to make a mistake...or waiting for the pitch to help him. Think Marshall is lucky to be there..

    You could play Patel in place of Franklin on a turning wicket, but otherwise I wouldnt change it much.

    hate to moan about a dead point but taylor bowls a bit of spin which might have been handy in Indian conditions and at the world cup....Mr Bracewell is a strange fellow.

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    I'm a big fan of Mills due to his form over the last couple of seasons. Im not basing this on any figures but I just think hes gained alot more confidence in his own bowling as a result of having to function as a key bowler in Bond's absence.

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    Im Glad to see that they're lining up Taylor to replace Styris. IMO the world cup is what matters this season and any chance to give the someone like Taylor more high class international experience, such as the Champions Trophy, should be seized.

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    My Starting 11

    NZ starting 11 should be


    1. Lou Vincent
    2. Nathan Astle
    3. Stephen Fleming
    4. Hamish Marshall
    5. Scott Styris
    6. Jacob Oram
    7. Brendon McCullum
    8. Daniel Vettori
    9. James Franklin
    10. Shane Bond
    11. Mark Gillespie

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    Astle is certainly not guaranteed of a place right now, his form for Lancashire has been appalling to say the least. I wouldn't be surprised if Fleming opened with Vincent and they played Fulton & Marshall at #3 and #4.
    If Styris is injured, then that might just save Astle because his bowling will take more importance.

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