semi finalists = joke

[cbuts]

well i dont think we have been ranked 8th for a long time. i personally like they way the icc does the rankings. ive yet to see a fairier system.

i dont remeber england playing pakistan recently???

[Samuel_Vimes]

Originally Posted by cbuts

well i dont think we have been ranked 8th for a long time. i personally like they way the icc does the rankings. ive yet to see a fairier system.

Funnily enough, everybody here apart from the New Zealanders acknowledge the Pickup/Bazza rankings...

http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/odi/2003.html

ICC One-Day International Championship Table [ as at end of December 2003 ]

Team Rating
1 Australia 136
2 South Africa 118
3 Pakistan 111
4 Sri Lanka 107
5 England 106
6 India 105
7 West Indies 101
8 New Zealand 97
9 Zimbabwe 68
10 Kenya 28
11 Bangladesh 0

Now, how fair was it back then, I wonder...

i dont remeber england playing pakistan recently???

NatWest Challenge 2003.

[cbuts]

funnily enough december is a bit further back than 4 months as mentioned in ur last post.

alot changes in a 14 months. to go back to a series that long is just stupid

[Samuel_Vimes]

Originally Posted by cbuts

funnily enough december is a bit further back than 4 months as mentioned in ur last post.

However, it is not a long time (cricket-wise at least) as you mentioned in your last post. A cut-off is always arbitrary, and to go by rankings at the start of the year seems sensible to me.

alot changes in a 14 months. to go back to a series that long is just stupid

Funny, because the ICC rankings who are held in such high esteem include all ODIs since August 2001...

Edit: never trust ICC websites. It's actually August 2002.

[cbuts]

yea but it carries only a littleweighting. 8 months of cricket changes alot. personally u need to go to the latest possilble

[luckyeddie]

Originally Posted by cbuts

yea but it carries only a littleweighting. 8 months of cricket changes alot. personally u need to go to the latest possilble

Do the same with tests and you'd be joint bottom with the Windies.

[cbuts]

??? the very latest ranknigs still ahs us a long way above the windies

[luckyeddie]

Originally Posted by cbuts

??? the very latest ranknigs still ahs us a long way above the windies

You are missing the point.

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by cbuts

why should average teams get through to the higher rounds,

How are Pakistan (for beating India), England (for beating Sri Lanka) and West Indies (for beating South Africa) average?

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by cbuts

the large amount of prze money that we misse dout on due to this draw **** up will ahve effects for nz cirkcet in the future.

I assume you checked these "large amounts"?

If NZ Cricket is that bad that missing out on $50000 will have effects in the future, then it's in a seriously critical way.

Could it just be you're a sore loser?

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by cbuts

well if england, aussie, southe africa, pakistan are there is something seriously wrong

What is seriously wrong?

For the past how long have we been saying that aside from Australia, the other 7 can beat each other on any given day.

Thus whichever of the 7 get through, something must be seriously wrong by your reckoning.

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by cbuts

i ahvent brought up this topic for months. and i feel since the tournament has now progressed to this stage its a sensible time to bring it up. do it on the rankings. aus and sa - 1v8. srilanka and india - 2v7, nz v wi - 3 v 6 and pak v eng- 4v5

Yes, but there has to be a cut off point (and it has to be well in advance of the competition for planning purposes)

It's not the ICC's fault that NZ have had a good last few months.

Look at the time before then - the time that caused NZ to be ranked 8th...

[marc71178]

Originally Posted by cbuts

yea but it carries only a littleweighting. 8 months of cricket changes alot. personally u need to go to the latest possilble

And had that shown NZ 8th, when they were 2nd 8 months ago, no doubt you'd have moaned.

They had to do it early to aid planning.

[cbuts]

Originally Posted by marc71178

What is seriously wrong?

For the past how long have we been saying that aside from Australia, the other 7 can beat each other on any given day.

Thus whichever of the 7 get through, something must be seriously wrong by your reckoning.

for a start check what that comment is replying to.

south africa is 8th int he world. wi are 6. they should never of been put in the same pool.

again read toerh posts, and ull see i never denied i wasnt a sore loser. i feel that im a justified sore loser though.

i havent ever seen any other tournament bar this one that goes on rankings nearly a year out.

[cbuts]

Originally Posted by marc71178

What is seriously wrong?

For the past how long have we been saying that aside from Australia, the other 7 can beat each other on any given day.

Thus whichever of the 7 get through, something must be seriously wrong by your reckoning.

and actually we have shown that theres a gulf between 1 and 2. and then also 2,3 to 4. both us and sril lanka have completly dominated those below us this year.