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- Thread starter Will Scarlet
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But this is a fact.marc71178 said:
Moin Khan threw baldy in the last over / 2 balls, so that the effort of Pakistan was damaged...by not gaining the bonus point...
Before that Pakistan did everything right, they secured their win, since Tendulkar was still out there.
But in the end it was on Moin to throw the ball straigt into the stumps, what he didnt accomplish...
The win of Pakistan, which was a very very very big one ..(If you win against India 51 runs ahead) was damaged...The whole team couldnt do anything, that Moin didnt hit the stump! It isnt an argument to say "You can't blame one player for the team not being as professional as India on the day."
Think before writing something like that....Esspecially if you know what happened in the match/situation...
marc71178 said:
Oh man guy....Are you so unintelligent?
Pakistan was securing their win, because Tendulkar was out there.. The pakistani team didnt understand or understood the situation very late, because they were looking to win this match, like every team would do so!
But when Youvraj Singh got out Ganguly said, that they have to look on the bonus point! And not on the win. His plan was to keep the wicktes down and let Tendulkar out their so much he can.
The pakistanis realised this very late so that there was a big chance for them to get the bonus point...
The Indians have given them up, when Yuvraj got out! That was the professional effort of Pakistan! There was then just one full learned Batsmen there(Tendulkar) and this around the 150s !
Isnt that professional effort....I think you are calming the effort of the pakistanis on this day down...Sure the win was damaged but a win like this you will not see in every match....The bonus point hasnt played any role in this match.....
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marc71178 said:
No, i mean this is the mistake in the bonus point system.
You win a match but you lose it. For me and i think it is in every sport so that the loosing side is always the loosing side!
And they had to win this match to have a CHANCE to come in the final. If they played for the bonus point, there would be a big possibility for the Indians to win that match because Tendulkar was still out there.
In the end they were very unlucky...
But for me a win is a win. It was a big victory over India and such a victory you will not finde so much in the history books!
They won the match, India lose it. That was the thing they wanted, because they wanted to be in the torunament.
This bonus point hasnt took any effect on the win of the pakistanis...They won the match. But the bonus point took an effect on the point table in the end, so that it was unprofessional for the tournament not to gain the bonus point. It was so or so a professional effort. You cant deny it. They won the match professionally but flew out of the tournament unprofessionally.
The unprofessional effort against Sri Lanka made the different.
But the match against India was a professional effort, since they didnt lose the match by not gaining the bonus point! They lost the tournament!
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marc71178 said:
LoL, you arent a Pakistani or Indian...Thats why you are thinking so!
If you as a Pakistani (or as an Indian) win the match, it is always a big one! Esspecially since the lose of the home series against India this win was very important for the fans!
Here the Pakistani shows their professionally effort, with their bowling and batting attack (esscpecially Shoaib Malik).
I cant do anything if you dont understand it. I think its clear and this since weeks, at the moment when Pakistan bowled their last ball.
It was a professional win. End!
And again....
Not to get the b o n u s p o i n t was unprofessional for the t o u r n a m e nt, but not for the m a t c h .
I dont want to reapeat me anymore....So answer to the last sentence and sure, you will not find an argument, since this is the last argument.
Dont put up things, which we have already discussed like "It is not professional to let the opposition reach the target that they have to get."
--> Answer: The bonus point hasnt took any effect on the match.
You see it is always the same. -.-
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marc71178 said:
LoL, again....You see ...im just repeating me.
The match wasnt irrelevant, since a win against India is always important...Also, because this two teams are arch rivals..
They had to secure the bonus point, but for what?
1. For the match?
--> No, they have won the match by not gaining the bonus point.
2. For the tournament? Yes, in the end it made the different, but then you also can say, that Pakistan has lost a bonus point against Sri Lanka, which would also make this situation different.
3. For the fans? No, the fans were happy with the win against India. Winning against India is always something special. And the indian brothers could confirm it you.
So, that is my last post to this topic, if you dont find any other arguments, about which you can discuss.
The win over India so professional, so that the Indians gave them around the 150's up. This was a very big professional effort. Lets see whether they will be consistant. After one year we will see how the pakistani Team has changed.
And you also have already answered to my question, for what the pakistani Team needed the bonus point:
Your sentece isnt finished/completed:marc71178 said:
No it is not - that match was irrelevant - Pakistan HAD to secure the bonus point to be in the tournament -
Isn't so? Yes it is.
So you can say that the victory over India was professional, but the lose against Sri Lanka was too heavy to be in the tournament.
Thats it. If you dont find any arguments, about which we havent discussed yet, you will not see some more post to this topic...
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Neil Pickup
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Had the SL defeat not been so heavy, they'd still have gone out by 1 point.
As it was, the whole purpose of the match had become to get/prevent the bonus point, and as such it was a mess to allow it to happen off the last ball.
As it was, the whole purpose of the match had become to get/prevent the bonus point, and as such it was a mess to allow it to happen off the last ball.