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    Yes they were on home soil, but that doesn't debunk my point that New Zealand has been more consistent then Sri Lanka.

    They beat England who were probably the favourites to take out the Natwest Series.
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    But NZ losing the tests 3-0 doesnt make for a good example of consistency.

    (agreed it was tests , but 3-0 is taking it too far.)
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    I was talking about ODIs, which you have never debunked my point that New Zealand is more consistent then Sri Lanka in ODIs.

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    Ok ,they might be more consistent than SL in ODI's but that doesnt mean anything with respect to the original point of contention ; that is whether NZ is the second best ODI side ATM or not .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    They beat England who were probably the favourites to take out the Natwest Series.

    The only reason England were favourites was because the bookies need to protect themselves against the patriotic pound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja moo
    thats tests in srilanka.....totally different from ODIs in england......SL arent good travellers .
    I'd still say Lanka have by far the superior side and are much the favourites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    The only reason England were favourites was because the bookies need to protect themselves against the patriotic pound.
    and also coming of their test blitz...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja moo
    Nag . Nag . Nag.

    India play Pakistan.
    Australia play New Zealand .
    England play Sri Lanka .
    South Africa play West Indies .

    Except for the last pool , the rest seem equally fair/unfair IMO.

    New zealand isnt the second best team in everyones opinion .I think SA is .

    If you feel so strongly , suggest a better grouping which would be fair and pull in the crowds too.
    we just thrashed south africa 5-1 in odi's and in the last two years its 6-1 to us. how are the better? and the rankings ahve us ahead anyways, south africa are now fourth

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    Don't forget Will that these pools were made at the start of the year when NZ were ranked 8th in ODI cricket. Of course if they had been made now..NZ would not be in the same pool as Australia.
    But I want to see NZ beat the best to win this tournament, so if we have to go through Australia then so be it.

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    Yeah NZ lost 3-0 to England in the tests, but it wasn't as big a thrashing as the scoreline suggests. Both sides were fairly even up until Day 5 where England took their chances & NZ did not.
    Having said that, I thought England were the better side through-out the whole series..even though all 3 tests were in the balance until Day 5.

    Anyway there's no doubt in the ODI's though that NZ were playing far better cricket. A talent-less side as someone called them? how can they be talentless when they go 13 wins consecutively against Pakistan, South Africa, England & The West Indies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbuts
    who ever wins the game between us and aussie will win the tournament

    I wouldn't necessarily go that far - but they should be favourites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja moo
    South Africa play West Indies .

    Except for the last pool , the rest seem equally fair/unfair IMO.
    why is the last pool unfair?WI are a decent ODI side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deja moo
    New zealand isnt the second best team in everyones opinion .I think SA is .
    is this the same SA that failed to qualify for the super six stages of the wc,got hammered in the natwest series last year, and then hammered in NZ?
    NZ are a better ODI side than SA whatever way you look at it.
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    About the current NZ side- Would their improved success rate be due to the team being a fully functional fielding unit? And will the lack of great players show up against the Australians, as it has in the last 5 ODI's between them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    is this the same SA that failed to qualify for the super six stages of the wc,got hammered in the natwest series last year, and then hammered in NZ?
    NZ are a better ODI side than SA whatever way you look at it.
    Is it the same NZ team which was swept 4-1 in the VB series and 5-0 when they toured SA last time. NZ aren't really that better than SA.

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