England 14 man squad for ICC trophy

gio · 06-08-2004, 04:09 AM

Michael Vaughan (c)
Kabir Ali
James Anderson
Gareth Batty
Paul Collingwood
Andrew Flintoff
Ashley Giles
Darren Gough
Steven Harmison
Geraint Jones
Anthony McGrath
Vikram Solanki
Andrew Strauss
Marcus Trescothick

No Ian Bell, surprsingly. No Ian Blackwell despite showing good recent form. I'm surprised to see McGrath still there. Nice to see Kabir Ali getting another chance.

tooextracool · 06-08-2004, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gio

Kabir Ali
Gareth Batty
Vikram Solanki

was chris on the selection panel???
well i guess all of them bar batty deserve another shot though....

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Paul Collingwood

IMO this should be his last chance to prove himself....

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Geraint Jones

personally i would have gone for read....

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Anthony McGrath

how many times does he have to fail to be dropped?

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No Ian Bell, surprsingly

yes the batting failed miserably in the natwest series and im extremely surprised to see that they've only brought in one new batsman, whos failed in the past....

JASON · 06-08-2004, 04:30 AM

To me putting a Team like that sends one clear message, England (or the selectors) have no intention of winning the ICC trophy, let alone competing strongly.

SpaceMonkey · 06-08-2004, 05:03 AM

Why do people have a go at Batty so much.
OK he hasnt set the world alight YET at international level but he's hardly played THAT many games has he? if Giles can basically get as many chances as he got then i dont see why Batty cant get a few more. He regularly takes wickets on any surface for worcestershire and is a fantastic fielder and useful batsmen.

As for Solanki he's in the form of his life atm for worcs and isnt the same batsmen that played vs SA last year so deserves a chance. Kabir Ali im shocked at cos last season he deserved this but this season he hasnt really set the world alight since coming back from double hernia surgery.

As for the others its great to see Blackwell and Clark finally told to work on it in county cricket for a while but WHAT THE F**K is Mcgrath still there? im sure he and giles have some sort of blackmail material on someone in the ECB

Im not surprised Bell isnt there given his poor one day average (but then again thats not stopped them picking players like that before).
Jones deserves more chance to prove himself at one dayers b4 we Read gets another call up. As for batsmen im shocked no one else was called up, but maybe they have 1 eye on Pieterson becoming avaliable and joining the squad for the Zimbabwe games.

Neil Pickup · 06-08-2004, 06:14 AM

Out of the three Worcestershire players, there's only one I would have chosen - Gareth Batty. There are no other options as a second spinner.

Solanki - aargh. Kabir - aargh (though not as loudly as the last one, and I am asking which other seamer could have been picked, and there's only really Jon Lewis, so I suppose it's not too bad a choice).

Ian Bell is the unluckiest guy alive.

chris.hinton · 06-08-2004, 07:28 AM

Solanki and Kabir are excellent players

Neil Pickup · 06-08-2004, 07:31 AM

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Solanki and Kabir are excellent players

No, they're not. If they were they'd never have been dropped.

gio · 06-08-2004, 08:02 AM

Ali never bowled for England in ODI cricket, and did well in his only test. Then he got injured. I think he has potential to be a future test regular.

There is another option to Gareth Batty: Graeme Swann. He bowls really well, has done well recently batting wise and is an athletic fielder. Another Northants player snubbed by the ECB...

V Reddy · 06-08-2004, 08:06 AM

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No, they're not. If they were they'd never have been dropped.

Is this team going to be used in the Natwest Challenge against India too? IMO, if it is a batsman then India is a very good team to try him against as 270 is a par score against India. I would have loved to seen Bell against India and also don't be surprised if Solanki scores highly too. You can never say anything with the Indian bowling

Tom Halsey · 06-08-2004, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tooextracool

was chris on the selection panel???
well i guess all of them bar batty deserve another shot though....

Vikram Solanki does NOT deserve an extra shot.

The only one who does is Kabir, because he didn't actually do anything wrong.

Tom Halsey · 06-08-2004, 10:46 AM

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Ian Bell is the unluckiest guy alive.

Agh!

I'm agreeing with the Ginger!

superkingdave · 06-08-2004, 11:18 AM

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Mcgrath = Shocker

marc71178 · 06-08-2004, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Why do people have a go at Batty so much.
OK he hasnt set the world alight YET at international level but he's hardly played THAT many games has he?

But when he has played alongside Giles on very helpful wickets, he was an embarassment.

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As for Solanki he's in the form of his life atm for worcs and isnt the same batsmen that played vs SA last year so deserves a chance.

And the Solanki we saw last summer was supposedly a different one from the one we first saw in International Cricket.

He's also (another) opener - we already have 3 competing for those 2 spots!

marc71178 · 06-08-2004, 11:25 AM

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I would have loved to seen Bell against India and also don't be surprised if Solanki scores highly too.

Barring injuries, he won't play (I hope)

Even if he does, I doubt we'll notice it, and the only person who'll be happy he's selected will be McGrath (if he's picked)

At least McGrath will have company as the worst player on the side then!

SpaceMonkey · 06-08-2004, 02:22 PM

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But when he has played alongside Giles on very helpful wickets, he was an embarassment.

And the Solanki we saw last summer was supposedly a different one from the one we first saw in International Cricket.

He's also (another) opener - we already have 3 competing for those 2 spots!

he doesnt open in the 4 day game though so he can bat with the older ball so its not a problem for him to come in lower down the order.

06-08-2004, 04:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
gio U19 Cricketer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Glasgow, UK Posts: 448	England 14 man squad for ICC trophy Michael Vaughan (c) Kabir Ali James Anderson Gareth Batty Paul Collingwood Andrew Flintoff Ashley Giles Darren Gough Steven Harmison Geraint Jones Anthony McGrath Vikram Solanki Andrew Strauss Marcus Trescothick No Ian Bell, surprsingly. No Ian Blackwell despite showing good recent form. I'm surprised to see McGrath still there. Nice to see Kabir Ali getting another chance.

06-08-2004, 05:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
SpaceMonkey International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Worcestershire, UK Posts: 2,076	Why do people have a go at Batty so much. OK he hasnt set the world alight YET at international level but he's hardly played THAT many games has he? if Giles can basically get as many chances as he got then i dont see why Batty cant get a few more. He regularly takes wickets on any surface for worcestershire and is a fantastic fielder and useful batsmen. As for Solanki he's in the form of his life atm for worcs and isnt the same batsmen that played vs SA last year so deserves a chance. Kabir Ali im shocked at cos last season he deserved this but this season he hasnt really set the world alight since coming back from double hernia surgery. As for the others its great to see Blackwell and Clark finally told to work on it in county cricket for a while but WHAT THE F*K is Mcgrath still there? im sure he and giles have some sort of blackmail material on someone in the ECB Im not surprised Bell isnt there given his poor one day average (but then again thats not stopped them picking players like that before). Jones deserves more chance to prove himself at one dayers b4 we Read gets another call up. As for batsmen im shocked no one else was called up, but maybe they have 1 eye on Pieterson becoming avaliable and joining the squad for the Zimbabwe games. Last edited by SpaceMonkey; 06-08-2004 at 05:06 AM.*

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JASON Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: At Work Posts: 7,558	To me putting a Team like that sends one clear message, England (or the selectors) have no intention of winning the ICC trophy, let alone competing strongly.

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chris.hinton International Regular Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,324	Solanki and Kabir are excellent players

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gio U19 Cricketer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Glasgow, UK Posts: 448	Ali never bowled for England in ODI cricket, and did well in his only test. Then he got injured. I think he has potential to be a future test regular. There is another option to Gareth Batty: Graeme Swann. He bowls really well, has done well recently batting wise and is an athletic fielder. Another Northants player snubbed by the ECB...

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