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Seriously, what now for WI?

Woodster

International Captain
Apologies if a thread of this nature has been set up or this topic has been discussed elsewhere but given recent performances from the once great cricketer nation I wanted to see what thoughts or more importantly, ideas, people had for how the West Indies can slowly begin to recover from where they currently find themselves. I know we've been here several times before, but surely things can't get any/much worse for WI?

I'm sure there are many more members on here, Beamer springs to mind, who would open this debate in a more passionate and knowledgeable fashion but it's a subject that is of great interest to me and a real worry as to whether there are enough people in the relevant positions within the Caribbean structure to make or know how to make the changes necessary.

First of all and what seems blatantly obvious to all, is the sharing of the money from the ICC needs urgently assessing and redistributing much more in favour of all the Test nations rather than just England, Australia and India. I appreciate India generate the most and have a claim to receive the biggest proportion but it still needs to be done in a more equal manner that allows the likes of WI, SA, SL, NZ, Pakistan, Ireland, etc, to make a difference to their structures whether that's through facility upgrades, paying their players better, investing in grassroots cricket right the way up to international (which was once the highest level players aspired to before the franchise competitions came along). West Indies have a unique issue in trying to get all the countries using that money wisely and pulling in the same direction and not simply out for their own benefit. Barbados, Guyana, Jamaica, Trinidad, etc, all need a shared vision in how they can transform the current shambles that is WI back to somewhere near the sides produced in years gone by.

The latest desperate move is bringing together the legends from those eras to try and inspire the current crop. But it's not that they need inspiring they're just nowhere near where they need to be as Test cricketers. This is a long haul back for WI and they need to get the right structures in place now in order to develop the future players, there is no quick fix and certainly plenty more pain to come yet, but what can they do now in order to get back there regardless of how long that might take. Or will the interest on the islands in playing Test cricket simply diminish with each woeful batting performance ?

Let's not get it wrong, it really is the batting that is the main issue with the side at the moment. The bowling attack is more than useful, especially on the pitches recently served up for the arrival of Australia. Can they afford discard Kraigg Brathwaite despite being in a torrid run of form ?

Any thoughts or comments on WI and any ideas on where to start with repairing this wounded cricket nation.
 

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
A respectable First class structure that can help the young batting talent develop, producing a string of proper test class batsmen, or integration of their Cricketers in First class structures so they can get meaningful experience. Regardless, what they need is a way to produce Test standard Batsmen, and not a single, two or three.
 

Woodster

International Captain
A respectable First class structure that can help the young batting talent develop, producing a string of proper test class batsmen, or integration of their Cricketers in First class structures so they can get meaningful experience. Regardless, what they need is a way to produce Test standard Batsmen, and not a single, two or three.
Yes a stronger first-class structure would help, but when you have so many of your better players away playing in franchise competitions and not interested in turning out for Guyana or Barbados or whoever it might be, it doesn’t help at all. Also integrating any of the current players (batsman in particular) isn’t likely in county cricket or Sheffield Shield purely because they aren’t good enough to command an overseas spot.
 

Sliferxxxx

State Vice-Captain
I would say 2nd tier but we all know such as system would be unfair. How you may ask? Because we all know that England, India and Australia would be exempt. That in and of itself isn't fair.
 

Woodster

International Captain
The second tier makes sense in so much as I don’t think they’ll get much out of their next two series’ in India for three Tests before two in NZ. More backs to the wall cricket despite promising results in Australia and against Pakistan not too long ago. Even during those two reasonably successful series’ they registered totals of 137, 123, 163 and 244 in Pakistan and 188, 120, 311 and 193 in Australia back in January 2024. They certainly need to learn how to build big totals (individually and collectively) against lesser sides.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
The second tier makes sense in so much as I don’t think they’ll get much out of their next two series’ in India for three Tests before three in NZ. More backs to the wall cricket despite promising results in Australia and against Pakistan not too long ago. Even during those two reasonably successful series’ they registered totals of 137, 123, 163 and 244 in Pakistan and 188, 120, 311 and 193 in Australia back in January 2024. They certainly need to learn how to build big totals (individually and collectively) against lesser sides.
FIFY
 

Woodster

International Captain
Aren't there major issues at Board level and an inability to incentivise players in the Test arena through meaningful payment and contracts?

If so, you're not getting anywhere before those are fixed.
I think there‘s issues with most of the individual islands in the Caribbean, the BCA, the JCA, the GCB, etc, not just the WICB. The ability to pay players well enough is an issue that blights a lot of countries not just WI, but yes, it certainly needs addressing somehow.
 

LangleyburyCCPlayer

International 12th Man
New Zealand has a very similar population to the West Indies, and has grown from a perennial underdog to regular contenders for global titles, sadly the reality of organising a cricket team over 15 countries makes the West Indies' job much harder
 

LangleyburyCCPlayer

International 12th Man
The issue about pitches is a very relevant one for me, it's no wonder the bowlers are doing so well but the batters aren't, not saying any of the batters are world beaters or anything, but how can you expect them to develop the ability to dig in and construct an innings when they are playing on minefields? Also, what is the West Indies' policy on franchise cricket vs FC cricket, I heard that they're no longer forcing players to play FC cricket, but we're not seeing any of their franchise stars flock back to Test cricket
 

GotSpin

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
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New Zealand has a very similar population to the West Indies, and has grown from a perennial underdog to regular contenders for global titles, sadly the reality of organising a cricket team over 15 countries makes the West Indies' job much harder
Indeed. It’s definitely not just a question of ‘more funding!!!’
 

Woodster

International Captain
The issue about pitches is a very relevant one for me, it's no wonder the bowlers are doing so well but the batters aren't, not saying any of the batters are world beaters or anything, but how can you expect them to develop the ability to dig in and construct an innings when they are playing on minefields? Also, what is the West Indies' policy on franchise cricket vs FC cricket, I heard that they're no longer forcing players to play FC cricket, but we're not seeing any of their franchise stars flock back to Test cricket
Yes in recent times they’ve played on pitches with something in them, not sure I’d go to the extent of them being minefields though. Starc when he’s got it right charging in with a pink ball is quite the force, but some of the dismissals in the 27 innings exposed technical deficiencies and some brainless shots against a very strong bowling attack. Australia didn’t score heavily either but then again their batting is questionable at the moment especially when pitted against another decent bowling attack.

The pitches for domestic cricket allow for batsmen to bat long periods of time, in the WI 4-day Championship earlier this year, eight batsmen scored over 500 runs in the seven games they could have played and all averaged at least 45. However, only John Campbell and Kevlon Anderson of those eight played in this recent series and neither looked very convincing, exception made for Kevlon being on debut and was asked to open in the first innings in Jamaica!
 

LangleyburyCCPlayer

International 12th Man
Does cricket need a strong West Indies?
In theory, no, cricket doesn’t need any particular country to be strong, Hungary (a country not that much more populous than the West Indies) punched massively above their weight in football for a time, and now they are back to the sort of level you’d expect of a country their size and nobody bats an eyelid, but cricket only has 12 full member nations, so I don’t think it’s the best look that one of them has declined to such an extent (even if you accept that the glory days aren’t coming back)
 

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