Jasprit Bumrah vs Dennis Lillee

[Johan]

That Trueman somehow smokes Lillee, as in they are not close? Even you don't believe it.

He beats him, and you can say smokes for beats.

 

[sayon basak]

He beats him, and you can say smokes for beats.

Stupid terminology.

 

[Johan]

Stupid terminology.

I didn't invent it.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yup, but he's had excessively bowler friendly wickets at home and not the great WPM of Lillee

Has much better SR though.

 

[Johan]

Has much better SR though.

everyone these days have stupid SR.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Anyways, Lillee has a stupid workload and can bowl really long spells, but Bumrah is just better all around. And sometimes gotta feel that Era is overplayed. They have nearly 5 runs difference in avg and their era average isn't off by even 3 runs, and then there's Lillee had much more supportive home conditions.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Jayden Seales strike rate: 39

and he’s fast medium lol

 

[capt_Luffy]

everyone these days have stupid SR.

Not like Rabada, no. As I said, Era is overplayed now.

 

[Thala_0710]

Has much better SR though.

I don't give that high weight to SR + SA pitches and the faster scoring rates of today's era, which also leads to wickets falling quickly

 

[Johan]

Not like Rabada, no. As I said, Era is overplayed now.

Gus Atkinson is 35, Brydon Carse 45, Matt Henry 44 since 2021, lol Josh Tongue 47 and he's a shite bowler, Jansen 38. etc. Era is overplayed in term of averages, not strike rates, modern bowlers absolutely cannot be compared to older ones in Strike Rate

 

[Thala_0710]

Gus Atkinson is 35, Brydon Carse 45, Matt Henry 44 since 2021, lol Josh Tongue 47 and he's a shite bowler, Jansen 38. etc. Era is overplayed in term of averages, not strike rates, modern bowlers absolutely cannot be compared to older ones in Strike Rate

I agree with this actually

 

[Thala_0710]

@Thala_0710 make Imran vs Bumrah, I wanna see Random and Subs going at it.

You know you can make one yourself right?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

there’s been a big change in run rates since 2023

Averages can’t be taken seriously since 2023 either

 

[sayon basak]

there’s been a big change in run rates since 2023

Averages can’t be taken seriously since 2023 either

Then what can be?

 

[Thala_0710]

For a minimum of 50 test wickets, of the top 13 guys with the best SR, 9 are current, 3 are pre ww1 (Lohmann, Ferris and Barnes) and 1 is Shane Bond. So yup, agree with the SR point

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Then what can be?

Gotta adjust them for era first I mean

Pretty sure an average of 22 over the last 2-3 years is not the same as averaging 22 in the 80s/90s

 

[Thala_0710]

For a minimum of 50 test wickets, of the top 13 guys with the best SR, 9 are current, 3 are pre ww1 (Lohmann, Ferris and Barnes) and 1 is Shane Bond. So yup, agree with the SR point

To round out the top 20 we have Steyn and Waqar + 2 more pre WW1 bowlers + 3 current guys...

 

[Johan]

Pacers Averages and SRs throughout the decades

1950s – 26.89, 72.0
1960s – 30.18, 71.5
1970s – 29.83, 67.1.
1980s – 29.82, 62.8.
1990s – 29.73, 63.0.
2000s – 33.22, 62.5
2010s – 32.50, 61.5
2010s – 28.58, 55.8
2020s – 28.45, 52.4

What this tells us!

Average – Massive inflation compared to first half of 2010s and 2000s, decent one with 1960s, minor inflation compared to 70s, 80s and 90s, like half a point or so~, meanwhile 50s still reigns supreme as the hell of batting.

Strike Rate – Huge, Huge change, 10-15 points change compared to even the so called bowling eras, far lower than even the 1950s.

 

[Thala_0710]

Pacers Averages and SRs throughout the decades

1950s – 26.89, 72.0
1960s – 30.18, 71.5
1970s – 29.83, 67.1.
1980s – 29.82, 62.8.
1990s – 29.73, 63.0.
2000s – 33.22, 62.5
2010s – 32.50, 61.5
2010s – 28.58, 55.8
2020s – 28.45, 52.4

What this tells us!

Average – Massive inflation compared to first half of 2010s and 2000s, decent one with 1960s, minor inflation compared to 70s, 80s and 90s, like half a point or so~, meanwhile 50s still reigns supreme as the hell of batting.

Strike Rate – Huge, Huge change, 10-15 points change compared to even the so called bowling eras, far lower than even the 1950s.

Why are there 2 2010s?

 

[Johan]

Why are there 2 2010s?

I split them in half, as the era change was abruptly in middle of 2010s, from flat ass start of the era, mid decade we gradually grew into the most bowling friendly era by the end of the decade.