The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[capt_Luffy]

Why, because you don't like him?

Don't think Miller was a good enough batsman, but we've had this discussion too many times already.

Nope. Because Steve Waugh is better.

 

[Coronis]

I would watch that series.

And really only Hayden is complete out of his depth and looks out if place for the first team.

Hayden > Greenidge

 

[kyear2]

Hayden > Greenidge

I disagree and don't think it's particularly close tbh.

I recall a conversation on one of Kimber's shows and Bumble brought up Harden and the other two were like, he doesn't belong in this conversation.

 

[kyear2]

Nope. Because Steve Waugh is better.

He legitimately wasn't.

But we can agree to disagree.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He legitimately wasn't.

But we can agree to disagree.

You started.

 

[Coronis]

I disagree and don't think it's particularly close tbh.

I recall a conversation on one of Kimber's shows and Bumble brought up Harden and the other two were like, he doesn't belong in this conversation.

Of course not, he plays a completely different sport.

 

[bagapath]

Yeah, will use different teams:

Invincibles+80s WI+00s AUS:

Greenidge
Hayden
Bradman
Richards
Waugh
Miller
Gilchrist+
Lindwall
Marshall
Warne
McGrath


RoW:

Hobbs
Grace
Sangakkara+
Tendulkar
Lara
Smith
Sobers
Imran
Hadlee
Murali
Barnes

left over Invincibles Aussie Windies XI from 80s and 90s...

Morris
Langer
Kallicharan
Harvey
Hussey
CH Lloyd *
Healy +
Roberts
Holding
Croft
McGill

vs

left over RoW

Hutton *
Gavaskar
Kallis
G Pollock
Miandad
Botham
Knott +
Ashwin
Akram
Trueman
Steyn

 

[Coronis]

Players who died before I was born

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hammond
Headley
Barrington
Worrell*
Faulkner
Oldfield+
Lohmann
Barnes
O’Reilly

Other considerations - Shoehorning Hutton in, but I think I need all the extra bowling I can get with Hammond, Barrington, Worrell and Faulkner. Grace as well. I generally don’t include players from the 19th century but really, but not that many great more modernish pacers died before I was birthed. Also Nourse.

Players who have died whilst I’ve been around

Morris
Mitchell
Bradman*
Weekes
Walcott
Miller
Evans+
Lindwall
Davidson
Marshall
Warne

Thought about May/Compton over Miller for a fair bit.

Players who are still alive (not currently playing)

Gavaskar
Boycott
Lara
Tendulkar
Chappell
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Imran*
Hadlee
Murali
McGrath

Think Lohmann gets underrated.

 

[Johan]

@Coronis didn't Ames pass away before you?

Died-Before-Me XI

J.B Hobbs
H. Sutcliffe
W.R Hammond
W.G Grace
G.A Headley
F.M Worrell*
G.A Faulkner
W.A.S Oldfield+
J.C Laker
S.F Barnes
F.R Spofforth

Really commendable batting and I'm very confident in the bowling too, Worrell/Hammond/Grace is great for the 5th bowler, Barnes/Laker/Faulkner are perfect for their roles of first, third and fourth bowlers. Spofforth, I don't really know but I'm going in on him doing well.

Died-During-My-Lifetime XI

L. Hutton*
B. Mitchell
D.G Bradman
E.D Weekes
D.C.S Compton
C.L Walcott+
K.R Miller
M.D Marshall
S.K Warne
R.R Lindwall
F.S Trueman

Still-Kicking XI

S.M Gavaskar
G. Boycott
I.V.A Richards
S.R Tendulkar
B.C Lara
G.S.A Sobers
A.C Gilchrist+
I.A Khan*
R.J Hadlee
D.M Muralitharan
G.D Mcgrath

 

[capt_Luffy]

Players who died before my Birth:

Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Don Bradman*
WG Grace
Wally Hammond
George Headley
Les Ames+
Ray Lindwall
Malcolm Marshall
Bill O'Reilly
Sydney Barnes


Players who died after my Birth:

Arthur Morris
Hanif Mohammad
Everton Weekes
Clyde Walcott
Martin Crowe
Keith Miller
Mike Procter*
John Waite+
Alan Davidson
Shane Warne
Fred Trueman


Players still alive but retired:

Sunil Gavaskar
Barry Richards
Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Garry Sobers
Adam Gilchrist+
Imran Khan*
Richard Hadlee
Glenn McGrath
Mutthiah Muralitharan

 

[Coronis]

@Coronis didn't Ames pass away before you?

You’re right, fixed. I meant Evans.

 

[Coronis]

Players who died before my Birth:

Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Don Bradman*
WG Grace
Wally Hammond
George Headley
Les Ames+
Ray Lindwall
Malcolm Marshall
Bill O'Reilly
Sydney Barnes


Players who died after my Birth:

Arthur Morris
Hanif Mohammad
Everton Weekes
Clyde Walcott
Martin Crowe
Keith Miller
Mike Procter*
John Waite+
Alan Davidson
Shane Warne
Fred Trueman


Players still alive but retired:

Sunil Gavaskar
Barry Richards
Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Garry Sobers
Adam Gilchrist+
Imran Khan*
Richard Hadlee
Glenn McGrath
Mutthiah Muralitharan

**** I forgot about Davo. Forget Trueman then! Perfect #batdeep team now too.

 

[Coronis]

ATG XI not including Aussies (so as to remove my nationalistic bias, thanks for the idea Curtly)

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Lara
Tendulkar
Hammond
Sobers
Knott+
Imran*
Hadlee
Marshall
Muralitharan

 

[Johan]

ATG XI without english players

Gavaskar
Worrell*
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Hadlee
Warne
Marshall
McGrath

 

[Coronis]

ATG XI without english players

Gavaskar
Worrell*
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Hadlee
Warne
Marshall
McGrath

Worrell’s an interesting one

 

[Prince EWS]

ATG XI not including Aussies (so as to remove my nationalistic bias, thanks for the idea Curtly)

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Lara
Tendulkar
Hammond
Sobers
Knott+
Imran*
Hadlee
Marshall
Muralitharan

I'd pick Hutton over Sutcliffe but otherwise mine would be the same I think. Interesting to think about whether I'd pick Sanga or Waite over Knott but I don't think I would.

 

[Coronis]

I'd pick Hutton over Sutcliffe but otherwise mine would be the same I think. Interesting to think about whether I'd pick Sanga or Waite over Knott but I don't think I would.

And I take that personally

 

[Red]

ATG XI not including Aussies (so as to remove my nationalistic bias, thanks for the idea Curtly)

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Lara
Tendulkar
Hammond
Sobers
Knott+
Imran*
Hadlee
Marshall
Muralitharan

Without Australians or any of your picks

Gavaskar
Hutton
Sangakkara
Kallis
Richards
DeVilliers
Ames +
Wasim
Steyn
Ambrose
Bedi

 

[Prince EWS]

Without Australians or any of your picks

Gavaskar
Hutton
Sangakkara
Kallis
Richards
DeVilliers
Ames +
Wasim
Steyn
Ambrose
Bedi

Bedi is surprising.

 

[Thala_0710]

Without any Indians:
Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman*
Smith
Lara
Sobers
Gilchrist
Hadlee
Marshall
Warne
McGrath