2nd test- bowl attacks

[Ashes81]

It's impossible to accurately predict the bowling line up as we don't know what the pitch is going to be like, nor the physical condition of the bowlers.

With back to back tests there will presumably be some rotation in either this one or the one after.

For England, so much depends on Stokes' fitness. He's clearly only half fit, if that, and that makes is harder to play Wood.

We also don't know what shape Moeen's finger will be in.

For the Aussies, assuming they're all fit, I'd expect I to be the same again.

 

[chunksafc]

It's impossible to accurately predict the bowling line up as we don't know what the pitch is going to be like, nor the physical condition of the bowlers.

With back to back tests there will presumably be some rotation in either this one or the one after.

For England, so much depends on Stokes' fitness. He's clearly only half fit, if that, and that makes is harder to play Wood.

We also don't know what shape Moeen's finger will be in.

For the Aussies, assuming they're all fit, I'd expect I to be the same again.

Agree with you about Stokes, problem as you say is hes clearly not fit so cant be expected to be the 4th seamer. I am expecting Woods to come in for Moeen and Root to be the part time spinner

 

[ashley bach]

England need to show some Wood in the 2nd test.

 

[Gremlin]

Anderson won't play the next two I'd assume, possibly rested for Lord's and then brought back for Headingley (in place of Broad?)

Woakes might be a good pick for Lord's. It'd be great to see Wood included also but his selection does depend on how many overs the skipper can bowl, Wood really can't do more than 15 overs per day and maintain the intensity.

As for spin, they're talking a good fight but can anyone see Moeen's finger lasting more than 10 overs? England's spin cupboard is bare (this has been discussed before but the effect of cramming the CC into the start and end of the season does not help produce spinners) - I can't see then throwing Ahmed into the Ashes yet, I wouldn't put it past BMac and Ben giving Liam Livingstone a call!

 

[slowfinger]

that pitch was WAY too slow. England either ask for faster pitches for Robinson/Broad/Anderson or make wholesale changes and keep the slow pitches for Tongue/Potts/Wood

BTW i think that Potts has had a great start to his England career and should seriously be considered

 

[SteveNZ]

Agree with you about Stokes, problem as you say is hes clearly not fit so cant be expected to be the 4th seamer. I am expecting Woods to come in for Moeen and Root to be the part time spinner

Yep, think this is the way to go at Lord's. That is not a lot of batting at #8 down with Wood Anderson Broad Robinson, but England obviously back their batters to be the run scorers, which is great.

Having said that, Baz and Stokes will back Moeen if his finger is OK, they're not bringing back in a guy from 2 years out of FC cricket only to drop him after one outing. If so, Wood for Anderson - as tough as that might be.

 

[loterry1994]

Lol at anyone who thinks Anderson will be dropped. If Zac Crawley is still getting picked after stinking up the joint for the last 3 years then I think England’s greatest ever bowler is safe.

Ftr I agree that if England is going to persist with pudding pitches, Anderson should be left out. But it ain’t happening.

Not dropped by probably rotated around. I doubt he’ll play all 5 tests

 

[SteveNZ]

Lol at anyone who thinks Anderson will be dropped. If Zac Crawley is still getting picked after stinking up the joint for the last 3 years then I think England’s greatest ever bowler is safe.

Ftr I agree that if England is going to persist with pudding pitches, Anderson should be left out. But it ain’t happening.

As others have said, it won't be a 'dropping' per se although Burgey will be all over it. He can't play 5 Tests so they'll need to decide where he's going to be most effective. To be fair, that might be Lord's if they prepare something with some life in it.

 

[CartyDurham]

I think Starc would have been handy at Edgbaston with reverse swing so it wouldn’t surprise me if he is brought in

Crawley is a walking wicket for left arm over bowlers so new ball for starc and England will be the usual 40 for 2

Tongue took five wickets on debut at lords so he could have a shout of coming in

if Anderson and Robinson are given a rest , I think wood and tongue will come in

as for Spin, then moeen if fit but they used Jacks in Pakistan and he did well and he knows how to hold a bat

It’s going to be intriguing how they see the pitch when the game comes around

 

[loterry1994]

I think Starc would have been handy at Edgbaston with reverse swing so it wouldn’t surprise me if he is brought in

Crawley is a walking wicket for left arm over bowlers so new ball for starc and England will be the usual 40 for 2

Tongue took five wickets on debut at lords so he could have a shout of coming in

if Anderson and Robinson are given a rest , I think wood and tongue will come in

as for Spin, then moeen if fit but they used Jacks in Pakistan and he did well and he knows how to hold a bat

It’s going to be intriguing how they see the pitch when the game comes around

yeah don’t know why people were saying Starc was definitely gonna get smoked in those conditions the first test and concede like 7 an over. He could of cleaned the tail up quicker which both teams struggled to do. His also got The extra pace and bounce and knows we’ll how to bowl to batters being agressive. Same thing could be said about wood they were both missed the last test

 

[CartyDurham]

yeah don’t know why people were saying Starc was definitely gonna get smoked in those conditions the first test and concede like 7 an over. He could of cleaned the tail up quicker which both teams struggled to do. His also got The extra pace and bounce and knows we’ll how to bowl to batters being agressive. Same thing could be said about wood they were both missed the last test

Tell you now if Starc gets the new ball v Crawley he will knock him over every time

Boult had Crawley in knots last summer and he’s a similar style to starc

 

[Kenneth Viljoen]

I would not play Starc at Lords , he averages 51 with the ball there ..I would make one change..Neser for Boland , because Neser has played County Cricket for Glamorgan and has experience at Lords , quality bowler plus adds batting depth ..Hazlewood if he's fit has to play at Lords he's got a good record there and understands how to use the slope .

 

[Niall]

He could get eight consecutive golden ducks from here and still remain in the side. The alternatives are Harris, Marsh and Renshaw ffs.

Maxwell is in the UK and has "experience " batting at three....?

 

[Woodster]

Surely England won’t be leaving Anderson out at Lords. He needs more bowling not more rest and a week in between Tests should be sufficient down time. He was rusty at Edgbaston, he’ll be better at Lords, no doubt at all.

Wood for Ali for me if Moeen’s finger hasn’t recovered sufficiently.

 

[Starfighter]

yeah don’t know why people were saying Starc was definitely gonna get smoked in those conditions the first test and concede like 7 an over.

It's because we actually watched him bowl against India. He was bad.

And I don't think he’s been an effective tail cleaner for a long time. Everyone seems to forget he hasn't swung the new ball consistently for five or so years.

 

[SteveNZ]

I would not play Starc at Lords , he averages 51 with the ball there ..I would make one change..Neser for Boland , because Neser has played County Cricket for Glamorgan and has experience at Lords , quality bowler plus adds batting depth ..Hazlewood if he's fit has to play at Lords he's got a good record there and understands how to use the slope .

Probably not massively relevant given Starc played a solitary Test there 8 years ago. Just as irrelevant could be that he averages 10 with the ball at Lord's in ODI cricket, including a 4-for and 5-for in 3 matches there. So it's clearly not a bogey ground.

 

[SteveNZ]

Tell you now if Starc gets the new ball v Crawley he will knock him over every time

Boult had Crawley in knots last summer and he’s a similar style to starc

Not sure that's true that Boult is anything like Starc. Boult has much better command over his general line and length, and has a more consistent and reliable in-swinger to RHers + the ability to go across them with the three-quarter seam. That's how Trent picked apart Crawley. Starc was dropped because the lack of control and ability to swing it recently.

 

[Burgey]

From memory, Starc has had problems adjusting to the slope at Lord's in the past. I think it will just depend on the deck and the conditions. If there's going to be a lot of cloud about then Neser may well get a run. He's a better bat than Starc and the best swing bowler we have in the squad with JRich injured (again). If it's dry and abrasive, then Starc may play. If the deck has juice in it then Big S3xy will probably keep his spot. This all assumes Haze has pulled up ok and there only needs to be one change contemplated to the attack.

 

[Gob]

Wouldn't drop Boland

 

[Qlder]

Wouldn't drop Boland

If they did it wouldn't be 'drop'. It would be 'rested' so he's the fresh bowler for the back-to-back 3rd test