So just how good is Jonathan Trott?

[Xuhaib]

the Aus attack that he dominated though not world class was still a handful attack imo.

 

[Flem274*]

he's a great example of how a decent batsman can become world class just by doing few simple things to perfection.He's a great judge off his off stump makes sure he is not an LBW candidate early in his innings and has 2-3 bread and butter strokes where he keeps peppering them, also feel he's one of those modern day batsman who have benefited from modern day bowlers inabilty in setting up a batsman much like how Mcgrath did in a reverse situation.

Shoaib showed on a couple of occasions that he might be susceptible to a fast indipper but don't see many current fastbowlers having that ability maybe Steyn and Roach.

I can't think of a batsman who wouldn't struggle against a Shoaib indipper when he's in form tbh.

 

[Xuhaib]

the thing is this was a washed up broken Shoaib as I say there is certainly any area which can be exploited especially early on but you need to be 90mph to do it.

 

[hang on]

sangakkara's certainly been in good form but i want to see how he does in england before anointing him the best batsman of recent times. his performance in the only other competitive away series of recent times - the india series - ended with less than overwhelming returns.

would have tendulkar and kallis over him quite easily at present.

i suspect that u are right about gambhir.

here's to a sangakkara and jayawardene special today, weather permitting!

 

[Spark]

I think any really high quality quick, especially one who can get good bounce, will trouble him (probably because his favourite midwicket clip becomes that much more difficult).

 

[Xuhaib]

can see an inform Ishant Sharma giving him trouble but whats the probability of Ishant Sharma being inform and bowling consistently quick?

 

[Jono]

Will answer that after the West Indies tour.

 

[GotSpin]

he is obviously a very good batsman in excellent form. will he end up with a 50 average in tests? difficult to say but certainly has a decent shot at it. he has played against 2 good attacks so far in his career.....has done well in one and badly in the other.

the question that i would ask myself is where he ranks in the list of the best batsmen in the world at present. i would have him behind tendulkar, kallis, and perhaps even cook.
how does he he compare to another relative 'newbie', gambhir? no idea.

There are only three or four top quality bowlers these days. It really shouldn't be hard to average over 50

 

[kiwiviktor81]

The question for me is whether Trott is better than Amla, in ODIs at least. They both average in the mid fifties, both have only been playing a short while.

After the same number of matches as Trott, Michael Hussey averaged 77 in ODIs and mid eighties in Tests (he now averages 51 in both), so I think Trott hasn't played near enough matches to show his true class.

 

[hang on]

also begs the question about headley and pollock's quality, anathema though such questions might be to many! the important difference, to some, being the length of time (as opposed to tests) over which headley and pollock maintained their averages; hence, what is the cut off or appropriate balance between number of tests and number of years before an average doesn't have to be taken with a pinch of salt?

 

[Xuhaib]

hypothetically if Trott retires on 5000 runs @ 65 does it make him the 2nd greatest batsman off all time?

 

[kiwiviktor81]

@hang_on:

I like to get nerdy about things like this, so if I'm in doubt I calculate a confidence interval

For Jonathan Trott, we can apparently be 95% sure that his "true" average is higher than 47 in ODIs. I haven't worked it out for tests yet, but I know he's played more tests than ODI innings, however his scores would have a huge standard deviation owing to two double hundreds.

Based on how he looks, though, I think he's outstanding in composure, ability to concentrate and shot selection.

 

[centurymaker]

There are only three or four top quality bowlers these days. It really shouldn't be hard to average over 50

This. Far too many opportunities to pad up your avgs with so few decent bowlers around.

 

[Bun]

On pitches that had more in common with Ahmenabad than your traditional New Zealand pitch.

I still fume at us rolling out the tarmac for India.

Yeah now bring in the excuses, spose csa also were put a gun to their head and asked to prepare those pitches as well?? :8

 

[hang on]

as the inveterate optimist, i believe that we are suffering from a temporary drought in quality bowlers. by the time the 100 test career (the average test career for someone who plays for 10 years) of recently debuting players is over, i think that there will be a clutch of good eggs around causing havoc....... also counting on pink balls and day and night tests to even things up a bit.

always look at pietersen as an example of someone who was destined to average in the 50s but whose average 'languishes' in the late 40s. wouldn't be surprised if the same were to happen to trott and hussey and gambhir and co. by the time their test careers are done and dusted.

 

[Flem274*]

Yeah now bring in the excuses, spose csa also were put a gun to their head and asked to prepare those pitches as well?? :8

What do Cricket South Africa have to do with anything?

The NZ/India pitches were very flat. India did well to win a test. If a smarter batting unit than NZ played India on those pitches the series had 0-0 written all over it.

 

[hang on]

as a slight digression, it makes sense - non intuitively, some might say - for teams playing india to prepare flat tracks since the indian bowling is actually pretty innocuous in placid conditions but do rather well when the conditions favour seam, swing or spin.

rather than focusing on the indian batsmen and their so-called vulnerability to decent bowling in inimical conditions, it is the neutering of the indian bowling that really needs to be focused on by weaker teams intent on holding or beating india.

 

[Bun]

as a slight digression, it makes sense - non intuitively, some might say - for teams playing india to prepare flat tracks since the indian bowling is actually pretty innocuous in placid conditions but do rather well when the conditions favour seam, swing or spin.

rather than focusing on the indian batsmen and their so-called vulnerability to decent bowling in inimical conditions, it is the neutering of the indian bowling that really needs to be focused on by weaker teams intent on holding or beating india.

Gud point. fact is when conditions are ok, they are as devastating as anyone.

 

[weldone]

He's a good ODI player, a very good test player. Not a great yet, and may never become an all-time great as far as my opinion goes.

In short, he's Engalnd's answer to Michael Hussey. No, England hasn't yet got an answer to Ricky Ponting or Steve Waugh.

 

[Zinzan]

But how good is he?

2nd best after Bradman