2005 Database Idea Thread - Page 3

Neil Pickup · 24-02-2005, 05:36 AM

English perspective:

Bassano batting and bowling down
Bell bowling up a little
Prior batting up
Simon Jones bowling up
Giles bowling up a little (par with Vettori, Price etc)
Collingwood batting and bowling up and make him an AR if Mills and Symonds are
Thorpe batting up
Vaughan batting up
Tres batting up (and he's not a keeper)
Add Sajid Mahmood
Add Alastair Cook
Hutchinson bowling down a long way
Ian Fisher bowling down a long way
Justin Kemp bowling down
Rudolph isn't an all rounder
Samaraweera batting and bowling down a lot!

Kweek · 24-02-2005, 05:46 AM

couldnt agree more neil

Sir Gaddy · 24-02-2005, 02:27 PM

Tres is a keeper, he kept in a recent game and michael vaughan said in an interview that tres could be keeper but hes better used as a batsman. Also Samaweera shouldnt be down that much as a bowler, his 1st Class Stats:
Bowling 2863.3, 628, 7984, 346, 23.07, 6-55, 15 , 2 , 49.6 , 2.78
Not bad i would say

Blaze · 24-02-2005, 04:07 PM

Neil -Vettori should have higher attributes than Giles. They are both good bowlers but Vettori is class which he is proving against aus. I couldn't see Giles troubling the Aussies like Vettori has

squiz · 24-02-2005, 09:54 PM

Yeah abdolutely, Vettori is held in a higher regard than Giles, and rightly so. He's proven it against the Worlds best

marc71178 · 25-02-2005, 01:01 AM

Looking at the Current World Ratings, Vettori is slightly ahead of Giles in both forms, but there's not a great deal to choose between them.

1 stellar or 1 shocker of a series and they'd swap.

SIX AND OUT · 25-02-2005, 01:04 AM

I still reckon Giles batting should be decreased.

Blaze · 25-02-2005, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc71178

Looking at the Current World Ratings, Vettori is slightly ahead of Giles in both forms, but there's not a great deal to choose between them.

1 stellar or 1 shocker of a series and they'd swap.

M W BB AVG 5w
Vettori recently (04/05) 4 30 6/28 18.83 4

Giles recently (04/05) 5 11 3/105 40.81 0

I know that this can be considered as selective statistics to accomidate my point but what I am trying to show is that Vettori is in great form and is showing no signs of bad form at all and at his best IMO and I would venture to suggest most other non english peoples opinions he is a superior bowler to Giles

marc71178 · 25-02-2005, 01:28 AM

Yes, and since those 2 runs of form put Vettori slightly ahead of Giles, that kind of shows what I was saying quite nicely.

As for someone suggesting Giles' batting should be decreased, what's that based on?

Blaze · 25-02-2005, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc71178

Yes, and since those 2 runs of form put Vettori slightly ahead of Giles, that kind of shows what I was saying quite nicely.

As for someone suggesting Giles' batting should be decreased, what's that based on?

Marc who woould you prefer in your English side. Vettori or Giles?

marc71178 · 25-02-2005, 01:31 AM

I'd actually rate them as just about equal to be honest - both are capable of really good things in all aspects, and both are really good team men.

Long term IMO they are about as matched as any 2 players in International Cricket.

Blaze · 25-02-2005, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc71178

I'd actually rate them as just about equal to be honest - both are capable of really good things in all aspects, and both are really good team men.

Long term IMO they are about as matched as any 2 players in International Cricket.

I want to see Giles bowl more. I have always percieved him as a journeyman but you seem to rate him highly so I will reserve judgement. It will be interesting to see if he has as much success against Aus in the ashes as Vettori has recently. (Aus have a weakness against finger spin IMO). Say you were a selector and there was one place for either Vettori or Giles who would you pick? ( lets assume it is the first ashes test)

Blaze · 25-02-2005, 01:40 AM

Sorry about going OT. I will try post some more players soon

bryce · 25-02-2005, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaze

M W BB AVG 5w
Vettori recently (04/05) 4 30 6/28 18.83 4

Giles recently (04/05) 5 11 3/105 40.81 0

I know that this can be considered as selective statistics to accomidate my point but what I am trying to show is that Vettori is in great form and is showing no signs of bad form at all and at his best IMO and I would venture to suggest most other non english peoples opinions he is a superior bowler to Giles

i'm suprised marc didn't realise he played 2 tests against bangladesh - which means one of two things, either he forgot or he actually rates bangladesh - and i know where my money stands..

SIX AND OUT · 25-02-2005, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc71178

As for someone suggesting Giles' batting should be decreased, what's that based on?

Averaged over 50 in my personal test career with Giles (around 15 tests, 2002-2004 - delisted as it was Int Only)

In those 15 tests he made 7 50's and 1 100's - including 3 of those 8 not out, plus he got dismissed only a few times.

That might be a one off though.

24-02-2005, 05:36 AM	#31 (permalink)
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25-02-2005, 01:01 AM	#36 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,336	Looking at the Current World Ratings, Vettori is slightly ahead of Giles in both forms, but there's not a great deal to choose between them. 1 stellar or 1 shocker of a series and they'd swap. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

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SIX AND OUT U19 12th Man Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Big Cricket Posts: 223	I still reckon Giles batting should be decreased. __________________ Good Old Collingwood Forever

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24-02-2005, 02:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
Sir Gaddy School Boy/Girl Cricketer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lincolnshire Posts: 77	Tres is a keeper, he kept in a recent game and michael vaughan said in an interview that tres could be keeper but hes better used as a batsman. Also Samaweera shouldnt be down that much as a bowler, his 1st Class Stats: Bowling 2863.3, 628, 7984, 346, 23.07, 6-55, 15 , 2 , 49.6 , 2.78 Not bad i would say

24-02-2005, 04:07 PM	#34 (permalink)
Blaze Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NZ Posts: 5,124	Neil -Vettori should have higher attributes than Giles. They are both good bowlers but Vettori is class which he is proving against aus. I couldn't see Giles troubling the Aussies like Vettori has

24-02-2005, 09:54 PM	#35 (permalink)
squiz U19 Debutant Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 366	Yeah abdolutely, Vettori is held in a higher regard than Giles, and rightly so. He's proven it against the Worlds best

25-02-2005, 01:28 AM	#39 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,336	Yes, and since those 2 runs of form put Vettori slightly ahead of Giles, that kind of shows what I was saying quite nicely. As for someone suggesting Giles' batting should be decreased, what's that based on?

25-02-2005, 01:31 AM	#41 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,336	I'd actually rate them as just about equal to be honest - both are capable of really good things in all aspects, and both are really good team men. Long term IMO they are about as matched as any 2 players in International Cricket.

25-02-2005, 01:40 AM	#43 (permalink)
Blaze Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NZ Posts: 5,124	Sorry about going OT. I will try post some more players soon

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