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    English perspective:

    Bassano batting and bowling down
    Bell bowling up a little
    Prior batting up
    Simon Jones bowling up
    Giles bowling up a little (par with Vettori, Price etc)
    Collingwood batting and bowling up and make him an AR if Mills and Symonds are
    Thorpe batting up
    Vaughan batting up
    Tres batting up (and he's not a keeper)
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    Hutchinson bowling down a long way
    Ian Fisher bowling down a long way
    Justin Kemp bowling down
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    Samaraweera batting and bowling down a lot!
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    couldnt agree more neil
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    Tres is a keeper, he kept in a recent game and michael vaughan said in an interview that tres could be keeper but hes better used as a batsman. Also Samaweera shouldnt be down that much as a bowler, his 1st Class Stats:
    Bowling 2863.3, 628, 7984, 346, 23.07, 6-55, 15 , 2 , 49.6 , 2.78
    Not bad i would say

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    Neil -Vettori should have higher attributes than Giles. They are both good bowlers but Vettori is class which he is proving against aus. I couldn't see Giles troubling the Aussies like Vettori has


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    Yeah abdolutely, Vettori is held in a higher regard than Giles, and rightly so. He's proven it against the Worlds best

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    Looking at the Current World Ratings, Vettori is slightly ahead of Giles in both forms, but there's not a great deal to choose between them.

    1 stellar or 1 shocker of a series and they'd swap.
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    I still reckon Giles batting should be decreased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Looking at the Current World Ratings, Vettori is slightly ahead of Giles in both forms, but there's not a great deal to choose between them.

    1 stellar or 1 shocker of a series and they'd swap.

    M W BB AVG 5w
    Vettori recently (04/05) 4 30 6/28 18.83 4

    Giles recently (04/05) 5 11 3/105 40.81 0


    I know that this can be considered as selective statistics to accomidate my point but what I am trying to show is that Vettori is in great form and is showing no signs of bad form at all and at his best IMO and I would venture to suggest most other non english peoples opinions he is a superior bowler to Giles

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    Yes, and since those 2 runs of form put Vettori slightly ahead of Giles, that kind of shows what I was saying quite nicely.

    As for someone suggesting Giles' batting should be decreased, what's that based on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Yes, and since those 2 runs of form put Vettori slightly ahead of Giles, that kind of shows what I was saying quite nicely.

    As for someone suggesting Giles' batting should be decreased, what's that based on?

    Marc who woould you prefer in your English side. Vettori or Giles?

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    I'd actually rate them as just about equal to be honest - both are capable of really good things in all aspects, and both are really good team men.

    Long term IMO they are about as matched as any 2 players in International Cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    I'd actually rate them as just about equal to be honest - both are capable of really good things in all aspects, and both are really good team men.

    Long term IMO they are about as matched as any 2 players in International Cricket.

    I want to see Giles bowl more. I have always percieved him as a journeyman but you seem to rate him highly so I will reserve judgement. It will be interesting to see if he has as much success against Aus in the ashes as Vettori has recently. (Aus have a weakness against finger spin IMO). Say you were a selector and there was one place for either Vettori or Giles who would you pick? ( lets assume it is the first ashes test)

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    Sorry about going OT. I will try post some more players soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    M W BB AVG 5w
    Vettori recently (04/05) 4 30 6/28 18.83 4

    Giles recently (04/05) 5 11 3/105 40.81 0


    I know that this can be considered as selective statistics to accomidate my point but what I am trying to show is that Vettori is in great form and is showing no signs of bad form at all and at his best IMO and I would venture to suggest most other non english peoples opinions he is a superior bowler to Giles
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    As for someone suggesting Giles' batting should be decreased, what's that based on?
    Averaged over 50 in my personal test career with Giles (around 15 tests, 2002-2004 - delisted as it was Int Only)

    In those 15 tests he made 7 50's and 1 100's - including 3 of those 8 not out, plus he got dismissed only a few times.

    That might be a one off though.

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