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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    That article relates to historic doping claims.
    So? There was a cover up by the USOC and the US was not sanctioned for it. Their medals were not stripped and their athletes were not banned from competing. Double standards much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbrooks View Post
    There are two sets of rules at play here. One for Western Athletes and another for Russians :-)
    Good. Russia is terrible.

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    In summary I don't think these Games were much worse than previous ones, and drugs are a part of our daily life in the world so it's strange to have them totally out of sports. Could keep some academics busy with proving what exactly is performance enhancing or not, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonbrooks View Post
    So? There was a cover up by the USOC and the US was not sanctioned for it. Their medals were not stripped and their athletes were not banned from competing. Double standards much?
    Sorry, you appear to be surprised that different standards may apply 15 years down the line.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RossTaylorsBox View Post
    Good. Russia is terrible.
    Why is Russia terrible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball View Post
    Sorry, you appear to be surprised that different standards may apply 15 years down the line.
    So, if a murder occurred 15 years ago we should let the culprit go? Nice one mate.

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    The way it's covered by the beeb you would think only uk world records were under scrutiny
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    The communications on this has been terrible. Lots of words about unanimous support, little about concrete effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    So what you are effectively saying is if you are an athlete you may not use the best medicine available to recover from major injury and get back to peak physical fitness? My understanding is that "recover quicker" is while in competition (and training) which would give the athlete an advantage eg quicker recovery time during Tour de France stages etc.

    But are we saying to athletes because of your job you must just suffer from injury longer? I would find that a little unfair if, for example, you could not get optimum treatment for your torn hamstring. You will not have the same medications and treatments that are used on a daily basis to help people in the street to recover from injury quicker?.

    I can understand if there are alternatives that are available that would not contravene the rules; but is there no route available for the athlete to request using a banned substance to help recover from injury provided that the substance is out of his system by the time he starts training again and competing again. This whole discussion came up with a Dr friend (normal GP) the other day about what constitutes medical treatment and where does it cross the line into performance enhancing treatment . Are there clear rules on injury recovery or is it taken on a case by case basis?
    As a general point, I don't think this is very different from the basic idea of being an athlete. Rugby players get concussions, footballers tear ligaments, wicket keepers break their fingers and cyclists pump their quads for hours until they vomit from exhaustion. To be a pro you sacrifice perfect healthcare, it's why they get paid so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    As a general point, I don't think this is very different from the basic idea of being an athlete. Rugby players get concussions, footballers tear ligaments, wicket keepers break their fingers and cyclists pump their quads for hours until they vomit from exhaustion. To be a pro you sacrifice perfect healthcare, it's why they get paid so much.
    Man that was so long ago now..... still don`t understand why sportsman can`t get best treatment out of competition. But heh! Not going into that discussion again....
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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    Query, does anybody know what the rules are on the drugs allowed while injured? I am aware there are banned substances that you cannot use during competition as it helps recovery time etc. However what about when injured and these drugs could take a 9 week lay-off down to 6/3 weeks etc. If you used banned substance to recover quicker form injury but not actually enhance your competitive performance, is this banned? Should it be banned?
    I think there are drugs like these. Some are banned but can be used if you have TUEs, others are subjected to thresholds. I'm not very sure about the details, maybe hendrix can help.

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    Is it ok if I'm massively sceptical how Federer is moving so effortlessly and looks so fit at age 36? Especially after a long lay off?
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    Then you should also have been skeptical when it took an inspired Djokovic at his absolute peak to deny him in 3 Slam finals and a semi-final between 2014-16, when he was a sprightly 33-34 years old...

    People can have their suspicions, but the simpler explanation is the obvious one. Federer is the master of giving himself opportunities. It's no coincidence that the "Weak Opposition" talk has re-started after Wimbledon (after going silent when Djokovic had an incredibly dominant season in 2015, and Nadal to a lesser extent in 2013). I can accept that those two at their absolute peak probably beat him more often than not in Slam matches. But the question is, did Federer ever go away? He has always absorbed the tough losses, maintained his level and kept coming back. So when Djokovic had a drop-off (Murray as well, though Murray hasn't really been a problem for Federer since 2014) this year, guess who was there to capitalize. No one is better at being there at the business end of Majors year in, year out than Federer, so take away his biggest obstacles, and he's back in the winners' circle. 2013 and 2016 were the only "poor" seasons he's had, and those can be explained by injury, and adjusting to a new racquet.
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