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    BBC Sport - Ashley Cole: Roma signing says English players afraid to go abroad

    Reckon he's got a very valid point, and more English players need to go abroad IMO. People talk about the influx of foreign players killing our game, but I feel the lack of English players learning how to play in different styles/climates/tempo's etc hurts us more. It's hard to name many international quality players we've had that have gone abroad in recent years - the 3 that spring out are the Madrid trio of Beckham, Owen and McManaman. Beckham had always been a class above the rest, but still think he developed a maturity and intelligence at Madrid. McManaman played some fantastic football out there, but was always wasted by England.

    You look at every country to perform well in the World Cup, and you can probably find a link to the Premier League somewhere - so many foreign players are happy to come over here, so why aren't our players as motivated to seek the challenge elsewhere - its not like playing in Germany, Spain or Italy will harm your international credentials
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eds View Post
    You mean the mid-table side that finished only one place behind the team you're tipping to win the league?
    I'm tipping Chelsea or City to win the league. Can't really make my mind up atm, at the moment I feel like City should be favourites but I may well have changed my mind tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    BBC Sport - Ashley Cole: Roma signing says English players afraid to go abroad

    Reckon he's got a very valid point, and more English players need to go abroad IMO. People talk about the influx of foreign players killing our game, but I feel the lack of English players learning how to play in different styles/climates/tempo's etc hurts us more. It's hard to name many international quality players we've had that have gone abroad in recent years - the 3 that spring out are the Madrid trio of Beckham, Owen and McManaman. Beckham had always been a class above the rest, but still think he developed a maturity and intelligence at Madrid. McManaman played some fantastic football out there, but was always wasted by England.

    You look at every country to perform well in the World Cup, and you can probably find a link to the Premier League somewhere - so many foreign players are happy to come over here, so why aren't our players as motivated to seek the challenge elsewhere - its not like playing in Germany, Spain or Italy will harm your international credentials
    Tom Ince recently turned down Inter for Hull, which kind of says it all. Imagine if a talented Englishman was struggling for first team football, but could go off to Real Sociedad or Athletic Bilbao, or Wolfsburg or Borussia M'Gladbach. Would still be at a very high level, with the possibility of European football. Instead it's easier to just moan and sulk, and pretend every other country which has players move abroad is the weird one which should be restricted (in terms of overseas restrictions in the PL). But money talks doesn't it?

    I hate to say it as an Arsenal fan, but I genuinely think people like Wilshere and the OX would be better off playing abroad than sitting on the bench for much of next season.
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcuss View Post
    Because end position is all that matters ofc. If you'd have said this time last year (or even at the close of the transfer window) that Arsenal would have led the league for 4 months and been 7(?) points clear at the end of Feb you'd have been told you were off your rocker.
    Nah everyone would have said you'd just made a perfectly reasonable suggestion because they'd had exactly the same season the year before in reverse.
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    "Arsenal prove the doubters wrong by threatening to challenge for the title before a series of comically huge defeats in big games leaves them scraping fourth".

    Since the biggest doubt was over whether they had the depth or physio department to sustain a title challenge over a full season, I don't think they could have proven the doubters more right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Nah everyone would have said you'd just made a perfectly reasonable suggestion because they'd had exactly the same season the year before in reverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Tom Ince recently turned down Inter for Hull, which kind of says it all. Imagine if a talented Englishman was struggling for first team football, but could go off to Real Sociedad or Athletic Bilbao, or Wolfsburg or Borussia M'Gladbach. Would still be at a very high level, with the possibility of European football. Instead it's easier to just moan and sulk, and pretend every other country which has players move abroad is the weird one which should be restricted (in terms of overseas restrictions in the PL). But money talks doesn't it?

    I hate to say it as an Arsenal fan, but I genuinely think people like Wilshere and the OX would be better off playing abroad than sitting on the bench for much of next season.
    JW and Ox will both play masses as both are versatile and bother are part of the 'British Core' (TM) and Wenger wubs them.

    cpr forgot Woodgate in terms of Galacticos, heh.

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    TBH yeah, but like I didn't analyize Owen's time there, Woodgates was even more ruined by injury, would be unfair to judge the effects of a move abroad for either of them given the problems they had.

    In fairness to Ince, he needs to play regularly at Premiership level, which Hull should give him, rather than sit on the bench/reserves at Inter, but I do feel he needs to show what he can do in the Prem before considering the big club abroad.

    Agree with Cabinet that Ox could do with a year on loan in Spain or Germany, as he will struggle to get regular game time with the Arsenal firepower. Wiltshire I always feel is one or two steps from ruining himself, he does seem to lack the discipline he needs to become the world class midfielder he threatened to be - Scholes was fair to say he's not progressed. I daresay being a millionaire young man in London doesn't help, and maybe a move abroad would allow him to focus on getting the best out of his potential. I think to a similar extent Smalling would benefit the same from doing this too - certainly I think more of our defenders need to sample playing against the attacking styles of the best nations week in week out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    BBC Sport - Ashley Cole: Roma signing says English players afraid to go abroad

    Reckon he's got a very valid point, and more English players need to go abroad IMO. People talk about the influx of foreign players killing our game, but I feel the lack of English players learning how to play in different styles/climates/tempo's etc hurts us more. It's hard to name many international quality players we've had that have gone abroad in recent years - the 3 that spring out are the Madrid trio of Beckham, Owen and McManaman. Beckham had always been a class above the rest, but still think he developed a maturity and intelligence at Madrid. McManaman played some fantastic football out there, but was always wasted by England.

    You look at every country to perform well in the World Cup, and you can probably find a link to the Premier League somewhere - so many foreign players are happy to come over here, so why aren't our players as motivated to seek the challenge elsewhere - its not like playing in Germany, Spain or Italy will harm your international credentials
    He's absolutely right, but it's a bit rich that he comes out and says this now tbh. It would have had a bit more gravitas if he had actually moved abroad himself when he wasn't already well over the hill and at the very end of his career.

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    Also, yeah, Wilshere and Ox will play plenty this season. The only thing restricting either of them from playing more games last season was injuries and lack of fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    I think there is pretty much no chance of Liverpool doing a Spurs. Rodgers is too good to let that happen. Suarez was obviously incredible but their monster run at the end of the season was about so much more than just him so there's no real logical reason to expect them not to be up there again. Unless you think Gerrard's last few games + WC were the start of a permanent decline as obviously he was pivotal in that charge for the title.

    I wouldn't be surprised if last season's top four + United are all in the title race for a good chunk of the season though.

    Think United will fall short of top four. They were so far behind the others last season and Arsenal, who they had the best chance of catching, are doing some cracking business.
    Liverpool will be top 4. Suarez was a stand-out player in the league, but even by replacing him with a 15 goal, 10 assist kind of player we'll still score enough goals to win the league in most years (70-90 range).

    I'll say what I said last season when a couple posters got a bit indignant. I turned out to be right, and if anything I was a bit conservative. The young players are incredible and they did not do anything they can't repeat. Don't be surprised if one or more of Sterling, Sturridge and Coutinho have POTY caliber seasons. With the signings we have, we have addressed our depth issue. If we also improve 10 goals to the good on defence that in itself will have a big effect (and it's not really that farfetched last year was a bit of an outlier).

    Where we will miss out with Suarez is the impact he had on opposition defenders. He occupied a lot of their energy because at any time he could pull out something incredible. He also fought so hard off the ball his attitude was infectious throughout the team. But I think Rodgers instills that naturally through his managerial skills anyway. And really, the most important guy at Liverpool is Rodgers, not Suarez. A transfer like this a couple years ago would have had most fans depressed, but we're all quietly optimistic. In general, people underestimate the 'team' factor and Rodgers has consistently got this team playing better and better. Even in the beginning of his tenure when it wasn't translating into points, you could still see marked improvements in the players and the way we played. I would have never in my life thought Flanagan was capable of what he did last season - I thought he was more League One caliber. Sterling has made huge strides and towards the latter half of the season and going into the WC was on par with Suarez for impact in the team. He's turned Coutinho into a legit CM, Gerrard into a wonderful deep-lying holder and Henderson into a proper international quality CM, when he used to be the butt of jokes from the Dalglish era. Heck, we scored so many goals (the most) from set pieces when we'd gotten used to seeing 15 corners and 0 goals. The only thing he's really not fixed is the defence and I think he'll get on that too.

    He's bought well, but I think we still need a Griezmann like wideman capable of goals and assists as well as being able to play across the front; a CB and a LB. We're pretty much set after that barring a huge marquee signing which I don't see us making as I think Rodgers wants Sturridge to finally be the man for us up front.

    I think the top 4 will be the same teams, in a possibly different order. Too much will have to come together in one season for United to legitimately challenge. I don't see it happening.
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    And really, the most important guy at Liverpool is Rodgers, not Suarez.
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