Originally Posted by CricinfoOriginally Posted by Cricinfo
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Always happens. Chelsea had something not that different once didn't they?
One of the only things I hate about this World Cup is the amount of Chelsea players that are on loan somewhere that are playing.
Last edited by Ikki; 22-06-2014 at 08:34 PM.
I don't really see any way Suarez turns down Real Madrid, whatever attachment he feels to Liverpool. They're the biggest name in world football by miles among Latin people. Look at Ronaldo. He still speaks with great affection about us and his time here, and we were widely seen as the best side in Europe when he wanted to go, but he wouldn't turn down Real Madrid. I just don't see any way Suarez feels enough loyalty to Liverpool to choose to stay at a side that, for all the progress they undoubtedly made last season still didn't win anything, haven't won a title in 24 years, are fourth favourites for next season's title and are far from guaranteed to win a title any time soon, in favour of moving to the biggest club in world football, who on top of that are currently champions of Europe. I could (sort of) see him turning down Barcelona but not Real Madrid. If they genuinely are in for him (it seems like they are, and he is their sort of signing) then the only way I can see him not going is if some sort of deal is done for him to go next summer, as there was with Ronaldo.
I'd be astounded if there is no release clause in Suarez's contract given when he signed it they weren't guaranteed in most people's eyes to even finish in the top four and we all know Real Madrid would have no qualms about meeting it if needs be.
Last edited by Tom Halsey; 22-06-2014 at 10:00 PM.
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Apart from City and Chelsea, who are the 3rd team ahead of Liverpool as favourites? They're better placed than Arsenal, United or Tottenham at the moment to challenge. I'd rank it like this: Chelsea>City>Liverpool>Arsenal>United>Tottenham.
We'll see. We hear enough of these kinds of news and assurances made either way to know that the opposite can happen. But as I say, from the noises coming from Suarez or the club, it isn't going to happen this season. You get the feeling they want a proper go at the title next year and we'd be willing to cash out right before he hits his 30s. It'll happen you'd think eventually, though.
Last edited by Ikki; 22-06-2014 at 10:50 PM.
The reality is that no team that has come 7th the season before is likely going to challenge for the title. Apart from Liverpool last year, it's basically never happened. It's usually the team that has come 1st or 2nd, or at a stretch 3rd, the previous year.
United will do well to be able to gather themselves and get 4th, they're not winning the title next year.
Last edited by Ikki; 23-06-2014 at 04:59 AM.
Possibly in Oz, I don't know. I used oddschecker and that is what it tells me. Premier League Winner 2014/15 Betting Odds | Oddschecker
I think those odds are fine tbh, although it is hard to predict with certainty how United will go, they are the highest variance side this year. I think though we've already made the best signing anyone will make this summer. LVG > Moyes by so much that he will improve our results more than any player would do.
It's the same squad that won the title 14 months ago.
EDIT: Although I have just noticed that using oddschecker best price, City are favourites haha. I normally use Betfair and just assumed Chelsea would be favourites with the bookies as well seeing as they are favourites on Betfair. Also seen that there are some bookies where Liverpool are shorter than United on here, but not many.
Last edited by Tom Halsey; 23-06-2014 at 04:58 AM.
Yeah, but as we've established in the last five seasons, you can't win a title with Thomas Vermaelen at the heart of your defence.
Yeah it isn't strictly the same side now tbf, but Vidic, Rio, Giggs and Scholes hardly played big roles in the 2012/13 season. It was basically the same side last year though compared to the title winning side, which came 7th the year after winning it. Shows how big an impact the manager has on these things.
The wildcard is LVG, but it's too much of a step for a new manager to come into a new club (and league) that's had such a terrible season and that is having such a big turnover in players. It's simply not realistic and if anything the bookies are betting on the 'name' of United. Unless they go ham and spend like 200m on quality players (and even then, it's doubtful because players take time to assimilate) it's delusional to think so IMO. Trust me, I know after 2008-09/2009-2010
Last edited by Ikki; 23-06-2014 at 05:18 AM.
There isn't a big turnover of players though, that is the point. From the title winning side we have lost two old players to retirement, and two defenders who even two years ago were a long way past their best. Smalling, Jones and Evans, who will all be here next season, all played reasonable amounts that season also so it's not like they need settling in time. Evans played more than Vidic in fact.
United are just hard to predict I think. It's one of those occasions where I think United are correctly a shorter price than Liverpool to win the title, but if we were to have a straight bet on who will finish higher out of United and Liverpool then Liverpool should probably be slight favourites. United could conceivably come anywhere from 1st-7th IMO, although either extreme would certainly be surprising.
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