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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    I'm not exactly an expert, but I'd agree that the standard of the lower leagues is a lot better than it was a decade or so ago. You could say this for football - and probably most sports come to think of it - on the whole, but the general standard of athleticism and fitness strike me as being drastically better than it was around the turn of the century.
    I thought upsets by lower division teams in the cup had been on a steady decline since the 1970s? Not a perfect proxy for talent, but a pretty good one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    I thought upsets by lower division teams in the cup had been on a steady decline since the 1970s? Not a perfect proxy for talent, but a pretty good one...
    The "old" upsets were generally caused by the dreadful state of the pitches rather than the talent of the underdogs - nothing like a good old-fashioned quagmire to level things up

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    Now they're mostly caused by weakened/indifferent Premiership teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    I don't entirely disagree with this list (though I'd definitely have United above Dortmund) but that doesn't really mean they're close, I think the gap from United to Dortmund is significant. Dortmund are a very good team who can't compete on two fronts, which they've proved in both of the last two seasons.

    EDIT: I also think Juventus are better than Dortmund overall, when fit and playing decently.
    Other than Barcelona being top there's no real order to it, Real appear 2nd because they pair up with Barcelona.

    Don't watch enough Italian football to comment on Juve, they've been good any time I've seen them in the last year but that's usually against lower Serie A sides.

    edit: also, when it comes to knockout cup football, I think how good a side can be on their day becomes far more important when ranking the teams. On the evidence of this season, Bayern Munich are a lot better than Dortmund; on their day, Dortmund are better than Bayern.
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    Yeah Dortmund have definitely been better in the 'big' games this year. Spread very thin though.

    Of those six United could quite possibly have the weakest first XI but the most depth. It probably lends itself more to the league format but it does give us good tactical flexibility for CL away games.
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    Re the lower leagues. It's harder for the Lower league clubs now to raise talent, and more pertinently keep it. Anyone who looks very good in the youth teams is likely to get enticed to a bigger club before they get to any age to play in the first team - think guys like Micah Richards, and anyone who slips through the net and has a decent start to their first team career will then get snapped up pretty quickly as well.

    On the other hand, in the past there was nowhere near the level of loans there are these days, there aren't many teams in the lower leagues without 2/3 players on loan from a higher division so they get more quality that way, but there is less continuity. The bulk of the players in the lower leagues are journeymen these days as well (in the past you'd see someone score on soccer saturday who used to play for Oldham it would make you notice, nowadays half the league seems to have played for us in the past). The combination of the loans and the journeymen also probably contributes to the level of performance/attitude in cup competitions compared to the league.
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    Van Persie injured.

    Utd's season over

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    Looks like Reading are done, too.

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    ****ing hell Arsenal.

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