*Official* English Football Season 2012-13 - Page 147

Ikki · 03-02-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GIMH

I wonder if a great Euros revitalised Gerrard or if its just down to the way he's been asked to play this season.

A combination of that and also being fit/not needing injections to play for the first season since 09. IIRC he is the only player who has played every minute of every league game.

He's playing that holding midfield role to a world-class level, and yet he is still affecting so many goals and creating so many chances. It's awesome to see him playing so freely.

GIMH · 03-02-2013, 01:17 PM

Debut goal for Balotelli

sledger · 03-02-2013, 01:40 PM

Why is it that more or less every player who plays for one Milan club, invariably ends up playing for the other at some point?

wpdavid · 03-02-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

How is this United side nine points clear? Such a weird season.

RVP looking set for 35 goals in the league helps.

And Ferguson, whatever my view of the man personally, knows how to produce a winning side given the resources at his disposal. His rivals, quite clearly, do not. Given the thoroughly moderate standard of the EPL, that's more than enough.

Pothas · 03-02-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sledger

Why is it that more or less every player who plays for one Milan club, invariably ends up playing for the other at some point?

Plenty seem to stop off at Juventus for a time as well.

Pothas · 03-02-2013, 03:09 PM

Anyway last minute penalty winner for Balotelli, certianly knows how to create headlines.

Nnanden · 03-02-2013, 03:55 PM

Been a staunch supporter of Reina, but he has been terrible for the last season and a bit. Today was just embarrassing.

EDIT: Gerrard gets me hard.

Johnners · 03-02-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikki

Actually he's been pretty good this season - the 2 before he was a liability.

He's cost us the game and that is now 2 matches we've pummelled city and gifted them points.

Gerrard...what a player. He is having a brilliant season.

You must've been watching a different Liverpool than the rest of us (surprise huh). He's been absolute bollocks.

Ikki · 03-02-2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnners

You must've been watching a different Liverpool than the rest of us (surprise huh). He's been absolute bollocks.

I think he's had one of the best ratios of clean sheets to performances of keepers this season.

Besides yesterday's blunder, where else has he been so poor? Maybe it's compared to the crap standards he's had before, but I thought he was doing okay. Against Arsenal, saved our hides, in his first game back. Season before last he was basically at error for a goal every other game. He's definitely not in the top 3-4 keepers in the league anymore; but "absolute bollocks"? Not really.

Tom Halsey · 03-02-2013, 10:31 PM

It's subjective, obviously, but he's been almost unarguably directly culpable for 8 goals this season if you go through them.

As you're normally a big fan of stats, I think I'm right in saying he also has the lowest save to shots ratio of any GK in the Premiership who's made over 20 saves.

Ikki · 03-02-2013, 10:58 PM

They keep stats for glaring errors leading towards goals - he's had 5.

You'd be wrong re save % too. He is on the low end though but, frankly, the differences in percentages is minute between him and some top keepers (i.e. Hart, Howard, Lloris) - 2-3%. It hasn't helped him that many (many) of our goals conceded have been stupid defensive mistakes which has put him in positions you really wouldn't expect a save.

Maybe we're arguing over definitions but I'd only really describe 3 keepers in the league as "absolute bollocks" and generally consider most goals as defensive mistakes. As I said, he's definitely not one of the best keepers in the league any more - I'd definitely consider selling him and getting a more aerially commanding keeper considering our susceptibility there - but its better than the last couple seasons, at least in my eyes. And on the whole, I don't think its worth arguing over because he hasn't been that good to warrant this defence. I'm just clarifying what I meant, and I'd say this season is better than the tripe over the last few.

Uppercut · 04-02-2013, 04:56 AM

Ikki in refusing to back down when he's obviously wrong shocker.

TBF on second viewing it wasn't that big an error, watching it live I didn't think Aguero could realistically score from where Reina forced him. Neither did any of the Liverpool defenders either obviously, because no one got back onto the line.

Ikki · 04-02-2013, 05:32 AM

Yeah...whatever.

It was a huge error. There was no reason for him to be that far out. Aguero is going away from goal and we have defenders covering centrally and Skrtel is not far off him either. It was a tough angle and Aguero did well...but Reina should not be anywhere near there.

Scaly piscine · 04-02-2013, 05:36 AM

BBC Sport - Match-fixing: Champions League tie played in England 'was fixed'

Hmm.

sledger · 04-02-2013, 08:31 AM

Ikki, who are the 3 keepers you perceive to be total ****e? Just out of interest.

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Ikki International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Death Queen Island Posts: 12,032	They keep stats for glaring errors leading towards goals - he's had 5. You'd be wrong re save % too. He is on the low end though but, frankly, the differences in percentages is minute between him and some top keepers (i.e. Hart, Howard, Lloris) - 2-3%. It hasn't helped him that many (many) of our goals conceded have been stupid defensive mistakes which has put him in positions you really wouldn't expect a save. Maybe we're arguing over definitions but I'd only really describe 3 keepers in the league as "absolute bollocks" and generally consider most goals as defensive mistakes. As I said, he's definitely not one of the best keepers in the league any more - I'd definitely consider selling him and getting a more aerially commanding keeper considering our susceptibility there - but its better than the last couple seasons, at least in my eyes. And on the whole, I don't think its worth arguing over because he hasn't been that good to warrant this defence. I'm just clarifying what I meant, and I'd say this season is better than the tripe over the last few. Last edited by Ikki; 03-02-2013 at 11:01 PM.

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sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,080	Why is it that more or less every player who plays for one Milan club, invariably ends up playing for the other at some point?

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Pothas Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Surbiton, UK Posts: 8,437	Anyway last minute penalty winner for Balotelli, certianly knows how to create headlines.

04-02-2013, 05:32 AM	#2203 (permalink)
Ikki International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Death Queen Island Posts: 12,032	Yeah...whatever. It was a huge error. There was no reason for him to be that far out. Aguero is going away from goal and we have defenders covering centrally and Skrtel is not far off him either. It was a tough angle and Aguero did well...but Reina should not be anywhere near there.

04-02-2013, 08:31 AM	#2205 (permalink)
sledger Spanish_Vicente Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: cricsim, lol Posts: 28,080	Ikki, who are the 3 keepers you perceive to be total ****e? Just out of interest.

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