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*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II
- Thread starter GIMH
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Shri
Mr. Glass
Very few friends in the locker room apparently. He could do crazy **** and be flown back home on his private jet to recover while the others had to be sensible and not take risks like he could. Remember reading it somewhere some time back. Not sure where.
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holy **** I never knew about the assault and rape allegations
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
My mate sent me loads of podcasts where it went down, brutal
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Just watched this one, and I think that's actually one of the more moderate sells of the stunner he did actually. I remember far worse ones, perhaps in the 1 v 1 match they had on Smackdown shortly after.
As an aside, I love how Jericho pulled the ref out of the ring when he was counting the pin there. Never get faces doing edgy/cheaty things like that anymore.
Agent TBY
International Captain
Because it doesn't make any kayfabe sense. A heel manager pulling the ref out when his guy is about to get pinned makes sense; it risks a DQ, but it sure beats getting pinned and, say, losing the title.
A face chasing a title should never do it, because he stands to lose far more than he gains.
A face chasing a title should never do it, because he stands to lose far more than he gains.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
I just liked how the Jericho character from that time did loads of heelish stuff like beat up refs every now and again and cheat//get dq'd.
Sure, from a strict kayfabe sense it was all over the place, but if done well it's a cool contrast from the black and white heel/face divide that exists these days.
Sure, from a strict kayfabe sense it was all over the place, but if done well it's a cool contrast from the black and white heel/face divide that exists these days.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Yeah but sometimes **** like that is fun. Good to have diverse types of faces.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Brock says hi
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Yeah but he's only on TV about twice every 12 weeks.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Austin's reigns all came in a three and a half year period. Cena's have come in ten. Orton's eleven. Edge's admittedly were shorter.
Saying Austin's 5 > Cena's 15 is just a spurious argument based off nothing. Cena has longer reigns than Austin does.
The argument that does work is the whole two title era.
But comparing H*gan's vintage runs and saying they meant more is a bit pointless. There were between one and five PPVs a year for all bar one of Hogan's title reigns, and often the belt wasn't even defended at those.
For example after winning at WM5, the main event of Summerslam was Hogan & Beefcake V savage & Zeus. The same match was on some special stupid no holds barred ppv, and then Hogan was in an elimination match at Survivor Series. He then participated in the 1990 Rumble, before losing the belt at Mania 6.
That's a total of zero successful PPV defences. Sure, there will have been some on SNME but compare that to any modern reign. The ones people moan about generally see the guy lose the title in his first PPV defence (or you have MITB cash-ins etc which obviously do impact this issue), same as Hogan in 1989-90
Title reigns started to speed up when PPVs went monthly in 95. It took a little while for the top title to catch up but that's the main reason as far as I can tell. Yea, Cena has a title reign in 2010 where he won the belt in the chamber before Vince brought Batista out. But then, Yokozuna had one in similar length at mania 9. Andre the Giant sold the belt in 1988.
Saying Austin's 5 > Cena's 15 is just a spurious argument based off nothing. Cena has longer reigns than Austin does.
The argument that does work is the whole two title era.
But comparing H*gan's vintage runs and saying they meant more is a bit pointless. There were between one and five PPVs a year for all bar one of Hogan's title reigns, and often the belt wasn't even defended at those.
For example after winning at WM5, the main event of Summerslam was Hogan & Beefcake V savage & Zeus. The same match was on some special stupid no holds barred ppv, and then Hogan was in an elimination match at Survivor Series. He then participated in the 1990 Rumble, before losing the belt at Mania 6.
That's a total of zero successful PPV defences. Sure, there will have been some on SNME but compare that to any modern reign. The ones people moan about generally see the guy lose the title in his first PPV defence (or you have MITB cash-ins etc which obviously do impact this issue), same as Hogan in 1989-90
Title reigns started to speed up when PPVs went monthly in 95. It took a little while for the top title to catch up but that's the main reason as far as I can tell. Yea, Cena has a title reign in 2010 where he won the belt in the chamber before Vince brought Batista out. But then, Yokozuna had one in similar length at mania 9. Andre the Giant sold the belt in 1988.
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Don't think Rock had one anywhere near this long either.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
I disagree with the general argument that title reigns are devalued these days, but do think they need to do more to try and put over the importance of being a champion etc... Cena being given the US title seems to indicate this is something they've been trying to do for a while now too.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
Yeah, longest reign I recall the Rock having was when he won it at King of the Ring 2000 and then lost to Kurt Angle at No Way Out in the same year.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
No Mercy. He regained the title at No Way Out
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Well he's not wrong