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*Official* English Football Season 2010-11

grecian

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Not a good time to miss a penalty either, fancy an equaliser in this, would make it a disastrous evening for Arsenal.

See I've seen the light I'm talking about the ARse, I'm in agreement it's better then much what goes on in here.
 

duffer

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Almunia, Koscielny, Squilacci, Sagna and Chamakh can be proud of their shifts today. Phil Dowd can go **** himself though. Seething after that.

edit: Rosicky and Clichy. Sweet mother of....
 

Pothas

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Chelsea got to be loving this season so far, beat Arsenal in a couple of weeks and they will already have a signficant lead.

Will be their first real match of the season mind.
 
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Uppercut

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****ing mental midgets, Arsenal. Same old, same old.
United have done it twice already this season. Three times actually, twice in the one ****ing match.

Not a terrible result drawing at Sunderland but it could be the type of game that sets Chelsea apart from the rest. We'll see after they complete their absurdly easy start to the season.
 

grecian

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United have done it twice already this season. Three times actually, twice in the one ****ing match.

Not a terrible result drawing at Sunderland but it could be the type of game that sets Chelsea apart from the rest. We'll see after they complete their absurdly easy start to the season.
Tbh Squelchy and Kocky, as I and only I call them, did defend really well for 94 minutes, they do seem an improvement.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
You're right, when I mention Gerrard as a 20 goal a season midfielder, I am talking about all matches and Europe. Because, even that, for a midfielder, is unbelievably good. No one really looks for a 20 goal a season, in the league only, midfielder because they hardly exist. Last year Lampard scored 22 but that's pretty rare.

But no forward worth his wages is "one of the best in the world" if they've never scored 20 goals in their league. It pretty much means they're barely in the top echelon of forwards in their own league - depending on the season of course.

Torres scored 91 goals in 249 games at Atletico (0.37) which is not that good, frankly. He's played less than half that many games at Liverpool (120) and has scored 73 already (0.61). Pre-Liverpool, Torres was a fine talent but largely unfulfilled. To give you a comparison, Darren Bent has a better SR whilst he was in Charlton, as he currently does in Sunderland, and is only slightly worse than Torres-Atletico whilst he was at Spurs.
Scoring goals in England is easier because defences are poorer.

In case you're wondering whose opinion that is, it's the opinion of Fernando Torres.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
The striker who scored 13 and 15 goals in the two previous seasons was one of the best in Europe? LOL the same one who never scored 20 league goals in a season before Liverpool? Your argument re Ferguson's spending is also hard to believe. So Ferguson spent 18m on Someone like Anderson (only 2m less than Torres) because he wants talent and decided to forgo "one of the best strikers in the world"?

Moving on. Can't wait for United game.
Try looking at who Manchester United have signed then.

In the last 5 years, Manchester United have spent big money on 2 categories of players: promising youngsters (Anderson, Smalling, Nani), and established Premiership players (Carrick, Valencia, Berbatov, Tevez) The only player who falls outside these 2 categories is Owen Hargreaves, who was an England international who had never previously played in England.

Torres fitted into neither of those categories; at 23 he was too old to be considered a promising youngster, as Ferguson has shown a tendency to sign players under the age of 21, presumably in order to try and mould them into his "type" of player, and as he hadn't played in the Premiership, he represented an expensive gamble that Ferguson has been largely unwilling to take since the likes of Veron flopped at Old Trafford. Signing a player like Tevez, who had played in the Premiership and done really well in his final 6 months at West Ham, was far less of a gamble for Ferguson.

Ferguson also had Louis Saha, Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez at his disposal, and was developing a strikerless system based on Roma's - Torres wasn't needed at the time, and wouldn't have fitted into Manchester United's system.
 

Jarquis

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If Jacky Stephens hadn't had made his debut for Argyle I'd be /wrists
Bur inatead......
FMD Arsenal, just FMD
 

cpr

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Try looking at who Manchester United have signed then.

In the last 5 years, Manchester United have spent big money on 2 categories of players: promising youngsters (Anderson, Smalling, Nani), and established Premiership players (Carrick, Valencia, Berbatov, Tevez) The only player who falls outside these 2 categories is Owen Hargreaves, who was an England international who had never previously played in England.

Torres fitted into neither of those categories; at 23 he was too old to be considered a promising youngster, as Ferguson has shown a tendency to sign players under the age of 21, presumably in order to try and mould them into his "type" of player, and as he hadn't played in the Premiership, he represented an expensive gamble that Ferguson has been largely unwilling to take since the likes of Veron flopped at Old Trafford. Signing a player like Tevez, who had played in the Premiership and done really well in his final 6 months at West Ham, was far less of a gamble for Ferguson.


Ferguson also had Louis Saha, Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez at his disposal, and was developing a strikerless system based on Roma's - Torres wasn't needed at the time, and wouldn't have fitted into Manchester United's system.
Alas, you've nailed Fergusons downfall there.... Were not bringing in any real quality. Since the Berbatov move he's decreed there is no value in the market, yet we are screaming, and i mean screaming, for a quality midfielder. Could've had Sneijder when he left Madrid, Van der Vaart wasn't exactly expensive for Spurs, and did we actually try for Ozil?

Anderson, for all his effort hasn't shown to be a creative spark in the middle, Gibsons got a crackin shot but little else. Fletcher can be effective, but he is still fairly limited moving forwards. Even Fergie has belatedly admitted he'll have to spend big to replace Scholes, but could've avoided doing so this summer. Unless he's waiting for Redknapp to bankrupt Spurs and nab Modric, this strategy is costing us dear, possibly more than our debts are
 

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