Tiger Woods

[Sanz]

Sheesh !!!! People this is about Tiger and his future in Golf.

 

[Sanz]

PGA is putting up a strong face about doing well without Tiger but the ratings have already taken a hit and I am pretty sure that the season without Tiger would be dull and something I am not looking forward to.

I don't care what he does in his personal life, I am just upset that he is not playing Golf.

 

[Matteh]

Yeah point taken, although Scumacher does have a suginificantly better win ratio than Senna and Prost. He is only beaten by Ascari and Fangio, who was pretty much always in a championship winning car and that is of course always a big issue when comparing drivers.

Not going to argue that he was anything like as dominant as Bradman in terms of being just that much better than anyone else but his records still dominate the sport in a somewhat similar way.

Thing for me with Schumacher is that when faced with a rival he always lost (see Hill 94/96, Villenueve 97, Hakkinen 98/99, Alonso 05/06) and pretty much won a Championship whenever the car went well.
And course his win ratio is better than Senna/Prost. Those guys had to race against each other for one and also the likes of Piquet/Mansell/Lauda. Frankly that makes Senna's 65 poles and Prost's 51 wins outstanding.

Also, Jim Clark's the best F1 driver there ever was regardless.

 

[Matteh]

PGA is putting up a strong face about doing well without Tiger but the ratings have already taken a hit and I am pretty sure that the season without Tiger would be dull and something I am not looking forward to.

I don't care what he does in his personal life, I am just upset that he is not playing Golf.

I'd rather be ****ing than playing golf tbh.

 

[Pothas]

Thing for me with Schumacher is that when faced with a rival he always lost (see Hill 94/96, Villenueve 97, Hakkinen 98/99, Alonso 05/06) and pretty much won a Championship whenever the car went well.
And course his win ratio is better than Senna/Prost. Those guys had to race against each other for one and also the likes of Piquet/Mansell/Lauda. Frankly that makes Senna's 65 poles and Prost's 51 wins outstanding.

Also, Jim Clark's the best F1 driver there ever was regardless.

Yeah Jim Clark was imense, no doubt about that.

Schumacher was in an inferior car on a number of occasions you mention though (especially the early Ferrari days), my point with him is not that he was necessarily a better driver thatn Senna, Prost and I was certanly no fan, was delighted on all occasions when he lost. but the record which he has made for himself is incredible and will probably dominate the sport for the rest of its history.

 

[howardj]

PGA is putting up a strong face about doing well without Tiger but the ratings have already taken a hit and I am pretty sure that the season without Tiger would be dull and something I am not looking forward to.

I don't care what he does in his personal life, I am just upset that he is not playing Golf.

Normally, I would tend to agree. However, with Woods, it's the rank deception and fraud.

He has, over the years, luxuriated in, profited massively from and carefully cultivated his image as a clean cut family man who is beyond reproach.

Turns out he was a fraud.

That's what different about his behaviour to someone like Shane Warne or Wayne Carey etc.

 

[Matteh]

Yeah Jim Clark was imense, no doubt about that.

Schumacher was in an inferior car on a number of occasions you mention though (especially the early Ferrari days), my point with him is not that he was necessarily a better driver thatn Senna, Prost and I was certanly no fan, was delighted on all occasions when he lost. but the record which he has made for himself is incredible and will probably dominate the sport for the rest of its history.

My grandad likes to talk about how in an age where every other driver was sliding around corners he drove like he was on tracks, perfectly smooth and in control. Which makes it all the more bizarre he went off into the forest at Hockenheim.

I suppose in sheer numbers, but to me in some ways it'll be like Gillespie's batting average against Bangladesh. Really out of the people currently in the sport, only Vettel and Hamilton really stand a chance of getting close and even that would be in around 10 years time at least.

 

[Uppercut]

Bit more than that, you actually have to be reasonably fit to play 18 holes a day, 4 days in a row. 36 holes in a day, even more so.

Darts you can be 200kgs apparently and be world champion.

John Daly, Colin Montgomerie and Craig 'The Walrus' Stadler weren't exactly pictures of physical fitness though.

The game itself doesn't involve any physical exercise at all. The exercise involved in walking from one part of the course to another doesn't make you a sportsman.

 

[Uppercut]

As for the discussion... I'm going to have to go with Jordan. It's so rare to have that level of dominance in a team sport.

 

[Simon]

The game itself doesn't involve any physical exercise at all. The exercise involved in walking from one part of the course to another doesn't make you a sportsman.

Then why does spending 4 and a half hours in the sun hitting a ball around and being exhausted at the end make you as tired as spending a day on the cricket field?

 

[Uppercut]

Then why does spending 4 and a half hours in the sun hitting a ball around and being exhausted at the end make you as tired as spending a day on the cricket field?

It's not the golf that tires you out, it's all the walking in between.

 

[cpr]

Then why does spending 4 and a half hours in the sun hitting a ball around and being exhausted at the end make you as tired as spending a day on the cricket field?

Because of the 19th hole.


You play 30+ legs of darts, even if you have quite strong arms, your forearm will feel like its on fire. The upper body strength, not to mention the mental focus, are impressive, just like they are in golf. Darts players are wiser in that they play a sport with a 16ft round trip.

 

[Craig]

Not just in match days as well, but in training it is normal for a pro golfer to hit at least 1000 balls a day.

 

[Uppercut]

Snooker players work properly hard on their fitness too. Where do they stand?

I don't mean to demean any particular sport, but it seems self-evident to me that if one of golf, darts and snooker is a sport then so are the other too.

 

[Craig]

So how do you define what is a sport and what isn't a sport?

 

[social]

I find it interesting that to date, not one other top golfer has been placed under the same scrutiny as Woods (bar Daly but he does it in public so its hardly a scoop)

According to a friend of mine who is very closely associated with players at the top of the game, Wood's behaviour is "par for the course" amongst many of these guys (makes sense - huge money, away from home, etc)

Maybe the journos are worried that they'd kill the golden goose if it went too far

 

[Burgey]

Love Tiger - all this whole thing has shown to me is that he really is close to God.

 

[Anil]

PGA is putting up a strong face about doing well without Tiger but the ratings have already taken a hit and I am pretty sure that the season without Tiger would be dull and something I am not looking forward to.

I don't care what he does in his personal life, I am just upset that he is not playing Golf.

totally agree...his personal life is his own business...

 

[Matteh]

So how do you define what is a sport and what isn't a sport?

Easy. If it can be played in a pub it's a game and not a sport.

 

[_Ed_]

totally agree...his personal life is his own business...

I do now think he's a knob though.

I still respect his ability and admire his achievements, but I used to enjoy his success. Now I won't, because I think he's a knob.