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    Strikeforce doesn't really win with Fedor tbh. Yes he'll bump up their viewership when he's on, but more or less any Strikeforce show without Fedor will be viewed as second rate by the casuals. Does a great disservice to a lot of the solid talent that they do have.

    Wish them well though but UFC has about 80% of the top fighters in the sport under contract, picking their fighters off when they lose a few fights in the UFC is not a way to build a promotion.

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    Not posted in here for a while, so thought I'd just add a few of my thoughts:

    UFC 101 this evening. Already got my ESPN subscription set up, so UFC in HD will be mine this weekend =] 9 a month is rather cheap, especially given we get an HD channel included in that, and don't need to pay extra for other rooms like Setanta. <3 the UFC going with ESPN and not Sky Box Office! I'm backing Florian and Forrest, but can see them both losing annoyingly. I'd love Forrest to beat Anderson Silva, I like Silva, he seemed like a really cool guy on the UFC All Access show, but Forrest is a brilliant guy, would be great to see him win.

    Fedor's an absolute bell-end. Was offered an incredibly good contract with the UFC, which would have made him the highest paid fighter in the world, but he (well his idiotic M-1 team) turned it down, because the UFC wouldn't co-promote with M-1. They offered him Sambo, offered him everything he could have wanted, but he still turned it down. No-one really wants to see Fedor vs Overeem or Rogers in Strikeforce, we all want Fedor vs Lesnar, Fedor obviously not willing to give the fans what they want.

    BJ Penn's also a complete douche. Come out with some more idiotic comments about GSP taking steroids and HGH because he doesn't get fat after a fight. I did have some respect for him before those comments, but that's gone now, and I'm hoping Florian pulls off a victory. Can't see it happening, but I'd love to see BJ get hammered again like he did against GSP, shame he won't let that happen, he's been training real hard.

    I knew Affliction was going down the pan as well =] Even without Barnett ruining the Trilogy Main Event they'd have gone out of business, were shelling out way too much money and getting themselves into serious debt. They've now given up the promotion business and are back to selling over-priced t-shirts with skulls on, and are now one of the UFC's main sponsors again.

    The Affliction collapse has been good for the UFC in more than 1 way as well. Has allowed the UFC to snap up some very solid talent in the form of Vitor Belfort, Paul Daley, Ben Rothwell, Chase Gormley, Dan Lauzon and Rafaelo Oliveira (and it's rumoured there will be a few more additions as well, pretty sure there are a couple of HW's coming in, Paul Buentello was mentioned somewhere, think he may have signed.) Belfort has immediately been thrown into a Main Event fight at 103 against Rich Franklin, replacing Dan Henderson who will be next in line at Anderson Silva, after Silva's fight against Forrest Griffin on Saturday.

    Tito Ortiz and Dana White have kissed and made up as well, with Tito returning to the octagon, probably by the end of the year against Mark Coleman. He's not fought since his loss to Machida, and has since had back surgery, but he's now back in training. Working on his boxing with Freddie Roach, and been doing some BJJ training as well. Looking forward to seeing him fight again, he sounds keen to give it a go at chasing the title.

    Talking of the LHW Title, I'm really looking forward to Shogun vs Machida. I think Shogun, if he's back fit and at his best, could really give Machida a run for his money. I'm a big Shogun fight, especially having seen his Tournament win in the Middleweight tournament in PRIDE in 2005. I'd love to see him beat Lyoto and set up a fight between him and either Rampage and Rashad.

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    Wow. That is one word to sum up Anderson Silva's performance last night. Forrest was embarrassed. Anderson was just playing with him, and making a mockery of Forrest's stand-up by keeping his hands down and just counter punching, and counter punching with tremendous power and accuracy. Was a stunning performance, and proved for me that he's the #1 P4P fighter in the world. After he beats Henderson again he should seriously consider moving up to LHW for good. He handled Forrest with ease and I'd love to see him in there with Machida, Rashad or Rampage.

    Was pretty disappointed by the undercard, the 2 main events were excellent fights, but the Undercard was full of some nothing fights really. The Sadollah fight was ruined by a ridiculously early stoppage, the Grove fight was pretty dull and I'm not a fan of his anyway, and the Pellegrino fight was very meh. The 102 Undercard is looking far more promising, with Jardine-Alves, Maia-Marquardt and Leben-Rosholt.

    BJ Penn was impressive as well. Looked to have much improved cardio, and wasn't worn down by Florian pressing him against the cage. As soon as the game went down to the ground it was over really, and it looked even more of a formality when BJ secured control of Kenny's back. Who's next for BJ Penn? Diego Sanchez?

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    My 101 thoughts:
    Silva-Griffin

    Crazy, he is just so damn good. Took the complete piss out of Griffin and out of all his haters by the style an swagger he showed on Sunday. Forrest running out of the building so quickly was a bit of a bitch move, but he was thoroughly embaressed out there he probably was ashamed of himself there.

    Hendo looks like he's getting another shot at him but he'll get slaughtered imo. Machida - Silva would be an incredible match, but they've both stated it would never happen as they were such good friends. Shame.

    Penn-Florian
    I thought Kenny's game plan wasn't too bad tbh, he did a decent job at managing the distance needed and tried the GSP approach of trying to slowly wear down Penn by using smart weight distribution and trying to be elusive. He wanted to test Penn's suspect cardio but this time he looked studly fit. BJ probably got the better of the clinches and the dirty boxing but it wasn't a huge dispariyt until they got to the groung in round 4 where he was a different class in all honesty. Question for Team Hawaii would have to be "what took you so long to take him there?" Kenny arguably won the second round but never looked like lasting the distance.

    Lightweight is so stacked right now, plenty of good fights for BJ out there. Miguel Torres going down badly in the WEC did disappoint me though.

    Rest of the card mixed the good with the bad. Pellegrino was very impressive, Grove-Almeida I scored 29-28 to Almeida. Have no idea how the judges had it at 30-27. Sadollah-Hendricks was a joke. Aaron Riley was also very impressive, Nelson has been going downhill and fast recently. Goodbye for him. Great to see the Aussie George Sotiropolous get a solid win for himself too.

    102,103 and 104 are where it's at for me though. All three cards are stacked, especially 104. Definitely buying all three of them.


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    Apparently Forrest ran out because he had a dislocated jaw and couldn't hear out of 1 of his ears, so ran out to get medical attention. That's the strongly suggested rumour anyway.

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    Watching it as we speak, and holy crap, I was never the biggest Forrest fan but even I wouldn't have wished that on anybody. He got made a complete and utter fool of. Was definitely not expecting the fight to go anything like that, I expected Silva to win by KO but no way did I think it would be that easy or that quick. Still, before taking too much away from Forrest you have to say, damn Anderson is a badman. That last little part where he dropped his hands down, just used swaying to let Forrests punches skim his nose and then pick out the perfect time to just casually throw a counter out like that, got such ridiculous skill. And let's not forget you don't have to hit hard with counter to do someone in like that, all about timing and Forrest looked like he was throwing that punch that got countered pretty forcefully as well. Inclined to agree with the commentators and think he must have been messed up before that to go down, but I didn't see where it was that he got hurt the first time.

    Now to watch BJ and "Ken-Flo" (worst nickname in the history of MMA imho. edit: or any combat sport for that matter. although upon reflection i'd say it's tied with "The Muscle Shark" )
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    I didn't understand the criticism aimed at Anderson Silva after his last 2 fights though really. He had a belt on the line, and he did what he needed to do to pick up the win. He fought a clever fight, especially against Thales Leites. He seems like a genuinely awesome dude as well, from watching UFC All Access anyway. Dropping his hands and swaying Forrest's punches with such ease was just incredible, and does show how good he really is. He practises his swaying with his trainer, throwing a bouncy ball at him with Anderson stood against the wall, and it seems to have paid off. Was a ridiculously good performance from Anderson, embarrassing for my favourite fighter, Forrest, but that was all down to Anderson Silva's performance, was like an exhibition fight for Anderson, just showing off his skills. What a fighter he is, best P4P fighter in the world in my eyes. Silva > Fedor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Pietersen View Post
    I didn't understand the criticism aimed at Anderson Silva after his last 2 fights though really. He had a belt on the line, and he did what he needed to do to pick up the win. He fought a clever fight, especially against Thales Leites. He seems like a genuinely awesome dude as well, from watching UFC All Access anyway. Dropping his hands and swaying Forrest's punches with such ease was just incredible, and does show how good he really is. He practises his swaying with his trainer, throwing a bouncy ball at him with Anderson stood against the wall, and it seems to have paid off. Was a ridiculously good performance from Anderson, embarrassing for my favourite fighter, Forrest, but that was all down to Anderson Silva's performance, was like an exhibition fight for Anderson, just showing off his skills. What a fighter he is, best P4P fighter in the world in my eyes. Silva > Fedor.
    He's foreign, doesn't speak English and he doesn't take unnecessary risks. All the excuses your average moron fan needs tbh.

    Such a shame that arguably the best fighter in the world is such a poor draw as far as PPV goes. An indictment on a lot of the audience itbt.

    The criticism he got from the Hendo fight shocked me really. He gave Henderson a complete schooling, psyched him out and once he got him on the ground just waited for the mistakes to accumulate before ending it with ease. He's ****ing brilliant.

    Machida is my favourite fighter along with Sanchez but I can't see a Silva-Machida fight happening, neither of them want to do it and it would be incredibly anti-climactic if they were forced into it.
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    Thales Leites will be hoping that Strikeforce didn't spend ALL of their cash on signing up Fedor...

    Pretty quick fall from grace. A few months ago he was the guy people thought might be able to take out Silva. Two crappy fights later and he's out of a job.
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    Watched his Silva fight again a few days back. Lold pretty hard at Rogan hyping him up as the perfect matchup for Anderson. Shame once the fight started it looked like he crapped himself every time Silva came forward.

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    Yeah, Leites was shocking in that fight. I'm hoping that Henderson has a good showing, but the only way I can see Henderson winning is to take him down and lay on him for 25 minutes. Not exactly an exciting prospect.

    I want to see Maia get a shot. His insane BJJ is probably the only thing in the division with any chance of finishing Anderson.

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    Yeah, I think I've made my Maia love well known on here before. His fight with Nate is a mouth watering prospect though. Against such a solid all rounder he's really going to be tested.

    Anderson is such a beast on the ground though. Hendo got done good and proper last time they fought he'd be a brave man to try and take it there straight away. Honestly think he'd do well to compete and hope he lands one swinging for the fences. Don't see it though.

    Really really want Sanchez to get a shot at Penn next though. He's improving his standup every time he goes out there and on the ground he can match most things BJ does. If Penn comes into it in as good a shape as he was in against Florian it's going to be difficult though but he has a better chance than anyone else in that division of pulling off the upset.

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    If BJ come into the fight in the same shape he was in last week, Sanchez is going to need a baseball bat to beat him.

    I reckon that Gray Maynard has the best chance of beating BJ. He's the only guy at 155 who has the size and the wrestling to put BJ on his back and give him the GSP treatment. Sanchez will get the next shot, but I wouldn't be shocked if Maynard's next in line.

    There's no way Henderson is going to land anything standing up. Silva's ability to slip punches is just out of this world, and if Forrest couldn't land even a jab, then Silva's going to easily dodge Henderson's big right. I suppose anything's possible, but I'd give Henderson a much better chance at outwrestling him.

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    I never said I thought he would land anything, just think it's the only real shot he has tbh. Silva outclasses Hendo in all facets from what I've seen. Only way he'll beat him is if he knocks him out. If he manges to submit him, feel free to pick my avatar for a couple of months. Just can't see him doing it.

    Maynard is a good shout though with regards to opponents for Penn. Would definitely fork out to see that one.

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    Oh, I know what you're saying, and a week ago I would have agreed. I'm still dumbfounded at just how good Silva's standup was against Forrest, though.

    Griffin is no can, and he's always been known to be really accurate on his feet. I can understand him not landing anything powerful, but I still can't believe that Griffin could get knocked down three times in three minutes, and only land one single jab in return- and Silva had his hands at his waist for half of the fight.

    On that performance, Silva's a frigging ninja. I've been watching fights for a fair while, and I've never been so awe-struck. The pragmatist in me knows it'll happen, but I just can't imagine anyone being good enough to really tag the guy standing up.

    As you said, though- Silva is a demon everywhere. Ridiculous stand up, a BJJ black belt under the Nogs, and Machida as a training partner. I suppose Henderson just better pray and pray hard.
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