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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    You hate Wade because of 2006. You can deny it, but it's true and you know it. And it's fair enough, but it's entirely seperate of what I'm saying.

    The Lebron thing is obvious and I understand it, but people (not Cleveland) need to get over it. You had no dog in the race and it's just sad. The man made an (admitedly huge) mistake in the way it was handled. He was 25. I'm 25. I do stupid **** ALL OF THE TIME. People need to get some perspective. I get that the team is unlikeable, that's fine, but the vitriol people spout about them is beyond rational. Lebron does more good in this world than probably any person you know or ever have met, where is his credit for that? That doesn't matter though, he made a poor choice nearly 2 years ago. Sheesh.
    Haha, I dislike Wade because he did well against my team? The line forms to the left of the list of players that have denied the Mavs a shot at the championship. The team that I respect the most in the league is the Spurs, who are their regional rivals and have dominated the Mavs over the years and denied them the Western Conference many times. Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli are some of my favorite payers to watch.

    How about we just accept that people dislike Lebron, Wade, and the Heat not because of jealousy or resentment, but because of the douchey aura around them. And what does Lebron "doing more good in this world than anyone else I know" have anything to do with rooting for/against a player? So we're not allowed to root against a player if they have a charity? Let's keep this in perspective and remember this is about sports, not if they're angels off the court. Otherwise let's just make a rule that we should love and adore EVERY NBA player (and should never be allowed to boo them) as I'm sure all of them contribute to charity one way or another. People like having heroes and villains in sports. The perspective to keep here is that it's not personal (for the vast majority anyway), it's just sports.

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    The Decision was as much ESPN than anyone, Lebron thought he was helping out a children's charity by hosting it. The celebration was a Riley led initiative and was meant for Wade and his +1 who they thought they'd get. No idea why Lebron gets all the hate for it. The not 1,2 etc was the only mistake he made. He had every right to leave Cleveland, he lived up to all his obligations there and never once dogged it like Melo and Dwight, or asked to be traded like Kobe, KG did.
    I didn't lay all the blame of the Heat being disliked on Lebron. I was listing the reasons for the team being hated, not just Lebron. The celebration (Riley's doing) is part of the reason people root against them. Just like Lebron proclaiming "not one, not two, not three.." is part of the reason people root against him. And sorry, I don't believe the only reason Lebron participated in the Decision was just for the selfless act of giving to charity. I think a huge part of it was that he's full of himself and thus wanted a show. Even if we say it was ESPN that came up with the idea and even pushed him to do it, Lebron's still an adult who should be smart enough to realize how insensitive that was to Cleveland.

    As to your point of Lebron having every right to leave Cleveland, of course he did. Conversely, people (not just in Cleveland) have every right to root against him for the way he left.
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    Lebron's the best player in the world, and quite easily. No one plays two-way like him. He is a phenom. The public that hate him can be split. There are the Jordan/Kobe/Magic/X/Y/Z fanboys who hate the comparisons. There are those neutrals who've grown up thinking that unless you're a ball-hog like Jordan and go for every shot, regardless of its merit, then you're not 'trying' hard enough or don't have the right mentality. There are those who hate him because of The Decision or that he didn't go to their team. Basically:

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    You could be watching cartoons with your kids and you don't like it, you say, 'Blame it on LeBron.' If you go to the grocery store and they don't have the milk that you like, you just say, 'It's LeBron's fault.'
    I'm not a Heat fan or anything, but I'd love to see him get a ring so people STFU already.
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    If being a "ball hog" like MJ can equal winning 6 championships and dominating the league, then I would guess Lebron and every other A list player would probably try to copy him. Of course there was more to MJ's brilliance than that, and there is more to the criticism of Lebron than not being a ball hog. But why dwell on that when we can just say Lebron is awesome and haterz can suck it?

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    That's because it is one of the aspects people use to downrate him. Jordan's big thing was being a scorer. He wasn't a Bird or a Magic who could shut down the boards or get the team running; he put it on his shoulders scoring-wise and his teammates knew their roles well. That's why he won 6 rings. Other greats and arguable GOATs have won 3-5-6-11 rings doing other things well and that's lost on people.

    Like, take the last shot bull****. If he passes to a wide open player, that's the play. Yet when he passed it and Haslem (?) missed it, it was about how he deferred. It was just another stick to beat him with. Lebron is not Michael and he doesn't have to do what Michael did but better to be better than him. He can be the best Lebron and be better than Michael. That's what I meant in that instance.
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    so disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    Haha, I dislike Wade because he did well against my team? The line forms to the left of the list of players that have denied the Mavs a shot at the championship. The team that I respect the most in the league is the Spurs, who are their regional rivals and have dominated the Mavs over the years and denied them the Western Conference many times. Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli are some of my favorite payers to watch.
    It's a completely different situation. The Spurs have those rings because they were the best teams in those years, they beat you fair, and earned them. The Heat were gifted the Championship by awful, awful refereeing and Wade was the face of it. I find Wade eminently dislikable myself, and don't disagree that he acts like a douche, but I'd be very very shocked if you didn't resent him for what he was gifted when your side was clearly the better team.

    As for the rest of your post, I'm not disagreeing with you and I think you took it as me accusing you of those things. I wasn't, I was really talking about the over the top hate that exists for the man that extends beyond his role as a villain in sports, which is why I mentioned his charity work. I don't have any problem with how you support or don't support a team, I respect you as a fan and (from what little I know of you) as a person.

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    In other news, I think it's funny how the Heat are cast as villains for a man leaving a town he was well within his rights to leave, when the team they face are cast as heroes after being stolen from a city they never should have been taken from. It;s funny how short peoples memories are, really. Bosh back and making shots makes these finals games much closer than people are willing to admit, but really, for Miami to win they need Lebron more on defence than they will ever need him on offense. He needs to keep Durant in his pocket as best he can, and hope Westbrook shoots them out of one or two games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes View Post
    It's a completely different situation. The Spurs have those rings because they were the best teams in those years, they beat you fair, and earned them. The Heat were gifted the Championship by awful, awful refereeing and Wade was the face of it. I find Wade eminently dislikable myself, and don't disagree that he acts like a douche, but I'd be very very shocked if you didn't resent him for what he was gifted when your side was clearly the better team.

    As for the rest of your post, I'm not disagreeing with you and I think you took it as me accusing you of those things. I wasn't, I was really talking about the over the top hate that exists for the man that extends beyond his role as a villain in sports, which is why I mentioned his charity work. I don't have any problem with how you support or don't support a team, I respect you as a fan and (from what little I know of you) as a person.
    Fair enough and I apologize if I took your post the wrong way. I will simply say that my dislike for Lebron/Wade is merely sports related and nothing personal. For me, it's fun rooting against them. That doesn't mean I don't respect their talent or that I will be devastated if they win the championship. Like I said before, it's just sports and I don't treat this stuff personally.

    Anyway, we now have an awesome Finals matchup. Durant/Westbrook/Harden vs. Lebron/Wade/Bosh and the rest. I say OKC in 7.

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    In all honesty do the Heat really have the depth of talent to keep pace with the Thunder, who've got the likes of Harden and Fisher coming off the bench?
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    Hahahahaha.

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    The Heat when they're on stop slashing better than anyone in the league, which effectively takes Westbrook and Harden out of the equation, while the Thunder love funneling drivers right into Ibaka and Perkins who protect the rim better than anyone. How the refs call it will be the biggest factor here. And also if D-Wade decides to turn up for all 4 quarters.

    Defensively it's all on the refs and I can see a free throw shooting contest happening. In which case the Thunder will win it.

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    Also wonderin what moves the Cektics can make now. They have two guys under contract for next season. This team could be so much different to the one now. Do they bottom out with Rondo and build through the draft and FA? Not seeing how they can add a young superstar to put next to Rondo with what they have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duffer View Post
    Also wonderin what moves the Cektics can make now. They have two guys under contract for next season. This team could be so much different to the one now. Do they bottom out with Rondo and build through the draft and FA? Not seeing how they can add a young superstar to put next to Rondo with what they have now.
    Rondo's clearly the cap stone to build the Celtic's next Championship team. Perhaps they could use the cap space created by Allen & Garnett to bully medium market teams into releasing guys like Hibbert or Iguodala. Plus someone like Avery Bradley is really maturing nicely.

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    Iggy isn't bringing you anywhere near a championship.

    They should definitely bring back Garnett though, let most of the rest walk. Maybe keep Bass. The big problem is that the free agent market sucks this year and no big star is going to come to Boston unless they know they've got a team to actually go to.

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    The Heat are so poorly coached its not funny. Thunder made all the adjustments at half time and it showed big time. Spo isn't going to last if he gets knocked out here.

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    Wade with 12 in first 3 quarters and 19 all up. If he had contributed more the game would have been different. Miami could have been/should have been 10-15 points ahead at half time. Battier filled in for the scoring, somewhat, but Westbrook and Durant got too many between them in the end. Durant is ice cold at the end, a great shooter. But IMO Westbrook carried them till the end.



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