Who are the biggest chokers in World Sport?

Days of Grace · 07-10-2007, 10:59 AM

After yesterday's limp display by the all blacks once again in a knockout, are they the biggest chokers in the history of sport?

grecian · 07-10-2007, 11:14 AM

Don't believe the English cricket or football team belong here, tbh.

To me "chokers" are people that blow it when they should win. The English team's are just poor IMHO.

Days of Grace · 07-10-2007, 11:20 AM

How is it that the SAD English football team has lost every penalty shootout in living memory?

grecian · 07-10-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Days of Grace

How is it that the SAD English football team has lost every penalty shootout in living memory?

Apart from Spain in '96 you mean.

Umm, I think it's because the other team have taking the penalties better, probably. If we'd been any good we would win the matches in open play, anyway.

BoyBrumby · 07-10-2007, 11:57 AM

Clearly the All-Blacks from the options there. Consistently lose to teams in world cups they should beat.

As grecian observes, our football team is merely above average-quite good on occasions & hasn't really choked as such. We just aren't good enough to consistently beat the best teams. We've generally gone out to teams we could have beaten, rather than ones we should have beaten. Generally on penalities...

TT Boy · 07-10-2007, 12:19 PM

The All Blacks easily. Aside from 1999, South Africa had no right to win any one day competition they subsequently or previously got knocked out of. Whilst the New Zealanders winning one World Cup since it's conception is scandalous.

And I take it the poll relates to South Africa as a one day entity? For they have won many a test match in a pressure situation, namely two last year.

Also I can't understand why England is featured in the poll.

Although, Spain could possibly be worth a shout.

grecian · 07-10-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TT Boy

The All Blacks easily. Aside from 1999, South Africa had no right to win any one day competition they subsequently or previously got knocked out of. Whilst the New Zealanders winning one World Cup since it's conception is scandalous.

And I take it the poll relates to South Africa as a one day entity? For they have won many a test match in a pressure situation, namely two last year.

Also I can't understand why England is featured in the poll.

Although, Spain could possibly be worth a shout.

Yeah, Spain would be the football team for me. Totally wasted years of talent, best League in the world, with mainly spanish nationals playing, in it. Yet embarrassing performances in championships in general.

HeathDavisSpeed · 07-10-2007, 01:28 PM

I think the England Football Team do deserve to be there. They should have qualified for USA '94 - but choked in the qualifying. I think they choked in the qualifying for one of the Euro tournaments too (Euro '92?) and they definately choked in the Euro '96 semi - and you could argue the same for Italia '90.

Probably the teams of more recent vintage did as well as they deserved, but there's no way that an England team shouldn't qualify for the World Cup.

They could well choke in qualifying for the latest Euro encarnation. Not too sure.

How's about Bayern Munich's team who contrived to lose to Man Utd in the European Cup final - conceding two goals in injury time?

Matteh · 07-10-2007, 01:36 PM

Difference in choking and having crap managers for mine.

nightprowler10 · 07-10-2007, 01:41 PM

Chicago Cubs.

grecian · 07-10-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

I think the England Football Team do deserve to be there. They should have qualified for USA '94 - but choked in the qualifying. I think they choked in the qualifying for one of the Euro tournaments too (Euro '92?) and they definately choked in the Euro '96 semi - and you could argue the same for Italia '90.

Probably the teams of more recent vintage did as well as they deserved, but there's no way that an England team shouldn't qualify for the World Cup.

They could well choke in qualifying for the latest Euro encarnation. Not too sure.

How's about Bayern Munich's team who contrived to lose to Man Utd in the European Cup final - conceding two goals in injury time?

Your going back to '94. for the last non-qualification, that's an awful long time ago. We did qualify in '92, rather wish we hadn't, tbh. Holland haven't qualified for a number of Euros and WCs, and they've many better players then us.

As hinted above, I think any team with Graham Taylor managing, did incredibly well to win any games at all. Still can't believe Waddle was discarded, whilst the likes of Sinton, Thomas, Palmer, Dorigo, (oh I could go on and on, tbh) played.

Particularly enjoyed him taking off our top-scoring striker of all time, when we desperately needed a goal in '92.

BoyBrumby · 07-10-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

I think the England Football Team do deserve to be there. They should have qualified for USA '94 - but choked in the qualifying. I think they choked in the qualifying for one of the Euro tournaments too (Euro '92?) and they definately choked in the Euro '96 semi - and you could argue the same for Italia '90.

Probably the teams of more recent vintage did as well as they deserved, but there's no way that an England team shouldn't qualify for the World Cup.

They could well choke in qualifying for the latest Euro encarnation. Not too sure.

How's about Bayern Munich's team who contrived to lose to Man Utd in the European Cup final - conceding two goals in injury time?

We have choked on the odd occasion; in qualifying for the '94 WC we were 2-0 ahead of the Dutch & drew 2-2 and were one up versus Norway and were again pegged back, but I wouldn't call Italia 90 a choke. The fact is we hadn't played anyone of note until we came up against Jerry in the semis. We'd beaten the footballing giants of Egypt, Belgium & Cameroon (the latter two after extra time) to get there.

In the actual semi we came from behind to draw with the eventual world champions and hit the post in extra-time. Euro 96 could arguably be called a choke (inasmuch as we took the lead before Germany levelled) but (IIRC) the aptly-maned ****z scored after about 15 minutes following Sir Alan's early goal.

We qualified for Euro '92 by the way (lost to Sweden when we got there as we invariably do); last time we failed was France '84 when we lost at the old Wembley to an Allan Simonsen penalty.

HeathDavisSpeed · 07-10-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

We qualified for Euro '92 by the way (lost to Sweden when we got there as we invariably do); last time we failed was France '84 when we lost at the old Wembley to an Allan Simonsen penalty.

Hmm... As a NZer, I guess you just didn't do too well at Euro '92 as generally, we do get a bit of media tripe about how well the England soccer team are doing. I can't remember hearing anything about the Class of '92, so I'd assumed they hadn't qualified. C'est la vie :/

BoyBrumby · 07-10-2007, 02:49 PM

A cheap shot, but a funny one:

The Baconator · 07-10-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nightprowler10

Chicago Cubs.

Whoever threw away a 7 game lead in little over two weeks. I pity anyone who supports that team.

View Poll Results: Who are the biggest chokers in world sport?
All Blacks	19	52.78%
South Africa cricket team	13	36.11%
England cricket team	0	0%
England football team	1	2.78%
Other (Greg Norman, etc.)	3	8.33%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

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grecian International Coach Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hanging on ! Posts: 11,275	Don't believe the English cricket or football team belong here, tbh. To me "chokers" are people that blow it when they should win. The English team's are just poor IMHO. __________________ Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes. Walt Whitman

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,620	Clearly the All-Blacks from the options there. Consistently lose to teams in world cups they should beat. As grecian observes, our football team is merely above average-quite good on occasions & hasn't really choked as such. We just aren't good enough to consistently beat the best teams. We've generally gone out to teams we could have beaten, rather than ones we should have beaten. Generally on penalities... __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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TT Boy Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: . Posts: 16,321	The All Blacks easily. Aside from 1999, South Africa had no right to win any one day competition they subsequently or previously got knocked out of. Whilst the New Zealanders winning one World Cup since it's conception is scandalous. And I take it the poll relates to South Africa as a one day entity? For they have won many a test match in a pressure situation, namely two last year. Also I can't understand why England is featured in the poll. Although, Spain could possibly be worth a shout. Last edited by TT Boy; 07-10-2007 at 12:21 PM.

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,620	A cheap shot, but a funny one:

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