Boxing thread

Majin · 14-07-2007, 08:32 PM

I just wondered if there are any other fight fans here on CW? I'm sure there are a couple at least, dunno if there are enough to sustain a thread but I couldn't find one and a general boxing thread couldn't hurt. So yeah, general boxing discussion I guess.

Just watched Arturo "Thunder" Gatti get dominated by Alfonso Gomez and eventually knocked out in the 7th, absolutely loved it. Been a fan of Gomez for a long time and hope this can catapult him onto bigger things. Took the pace from the word go and never let up, shook Gatti from the first round and never looked troubled by any of Gatti's punches. Won every round for mine and deserved the win. Great fight to watch.

Xuhaib · 15-07-2007, 08:38 AM

Amir Khan was made to work hard before beating Scotland's Willie Limond to win the Commonwealth lightweight title.
Khan had looked in control early on in their fight at London's O2 Arena but Limond rocked the 20-year-old in the sixth round, knocking him to the floor.

The Bolton fighter recovered and dug deep to force his opponent to take a count in the next round.

Khan dominated after that and Limond was forced to retire after the eighth round with nose and jaw injuries.

The Athens silver medallist came into the fight with nine knockouts from his 12 pro fights but this was by far his toughest test.

He played a patient game early on and seemed to have a narrow advantage over his more experienced opponent.

Although he picked off Limond with a series of jabs in the second round, the 28-year-old Scot kept Khan on his toes, especially in round five when a right hand connected cleanly.

But the fight sparked into life in the sixth round when Limond seized the upper hand and landed Khan with a volley of punches which sent him sprawling.

Somehow Khan struggled through the remainder of the round and the knock-down seemed to spark him into action.

The seventh round was far more one-sided as Khan backed Limond against the ropes with more hurtful combinations and the champion went down himself.

By the eighth, Limond was on trouble but the Scot refused to give in and had to be withdrawn by his corner, handing Khan the toughest victory of his career.

"The timing just wasn't there," Khan admitted afterwards. "I was over-anxious and wanted to commit myself too much. I was running inside, made a mistake and got caught with the right hand.

"It could have changed the fight but it didn't - it shows I've got a good chin. I just had to compose myself.

"Good fighters go down, come back up and knock the other person down and I did that. I wanted that title more than Willie did."
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Great to see him having the pakistan flag on his shorts and pakistani coloured gum shield

BoyBrumby · 15-07-2007, 08:49 AM

Was a really good fight. Fair play to Limond, he was definitely outclassed in terms of boxing skills but he was so brave. His face was a mask of blood at the end.

Nice to see Khan tested properly.

Xuhaib · 15-07-2007, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Was a really good fight. Fair play to Limond, he was definitely outclassed in terms of boxing skills but he was so brave. His face was a mask of blood at the end..

I've heard Monty and Saj were ringside supporting Khan.

BoyBrumby · 15-07-2007, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xuhaib

I've heard Monty and Saj were ringside supporting Khan.

Wouldn't surprise me. Especially Saj as he's Amir's first cousin!

Majin · 15-07-2007, 06:02 PM

What channel was that on, out of interest? I missed that. :\

Matteh · 15-07-2007, 07:12 PM

ITV 3 or 4 i think. There's some more stuff on those channels soon as well. Gets promo-ed in the advert breaks during the Tour de France.

Burgey · 15-07-2007, 07:51 PM

I'm a fight fan so hopefully this thread can kick on.

JBMAC · 15-07-2007, 10:17 PM

ESPN's Top 50 Boxers of all time in Ranking.Should provoke some lively discussion

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

Johnners · 16-07-2007, 02:19 AM

Can't beleive Mundine didn't make it...

Bit of a surprise that Ali isn't no.1 I s'pose

BoyBrumby · 16-07-2007, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Majin

What channel was that on, out of interest? I missed that. :\

It was on ITV1 or was in the Anglian tv region at least.

WRT to the 50 best fighters I'm somewhat surprised to see no Lennox Lewis. To be honest I'd not familiar with the work of a lot of the guys listed, but given Holyfield is ranked @ 40 & Lewis disposed of him fairly comfortably (even if the first fight was shockingly scored as a draw) you'd have thought he should be in there somewhere.

Majin · 16-07-2007, 08:57 AM

Going by the list, I'm surprised by how low down Rocky Marciano is on the list. 49-49-0 with 43 knockouts is hardly something to sniff at. I wonder what they used to decide their rankings.

Goughy · 16-07-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Majin

Going by the list, I'm surprised by how low down Rocky Marciano is on the list. 49-49-0 with 43 knockouts is hardly something to sniff at. I wonder what they used to decide their rankings.

The list looks very American dominated.

Marciano is always an interesting question. Its impossible to argue with his record but many of his fights were hand-picked (though he was certainly not the only one to do that) and the calibre of figher he entered the ring against wasnt always of the highest quality.

Ali is another very interesting fighter as it is virtually impossible for people to divorce him being one of the greatest cultural icons of the 20th century from his actaul abilities as a boxer (which were certainly considerable but often his failings and faults are overlooked due to his revered status). The best thing about Ali is that he ducked noone and took on virtually allcomers. However there are many things that are often overlooked such as his career was over very early compared to modern fighters, allegations of rigged fights (again certainly not the only one), losing his speed early in his career and getting by on a solid chin and heart rather than the 'legendary' skill, looking very ordinary against 3rd rate fighters, entering fights (eg Foreman) as a heavy underdog, gamesmanship etc, losing to Spinks and others. etc.

Something like this is very difficult to rank to the agreement of all. From my POV Im disappointed to see Hagler so low.

Agent TBY · 16-07-2007, 03:57 PM

Ippo for the win.

steds · 16-07-2007, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBMAC

ESPN's Top 50 Boxers of all time in Ranking.Should provoke some lively discussion

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

Apollo Creed got royally shafted there, one feels.

14-07-2007, 08:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Majin International Debutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,784	Boxing thread I just wondered if there are any other fight fans here on CW? I'm sure there are a couple at least, dunno if there are enough to sustain a thread but I couldn't find one and a general boxing thread couldn't hurt. So yeah, general boxing discussion I guess. Just watched Arturo "Thunder" Gatti get dominated by Alfonso Gomez and eventually knocked out in the 7th, absolutely loved it. Been a fan of Gomez for a long time and hope this can catapult him onto bigger things. Took the pace from the word go and never let up, shook Gatti from the first round and never looked troubled by any of Gatti's punches. Won every round for mine and deserved the win. Great fight to watch.

15-07-2007, 08:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,582	Was a really good fight. Fair play to Limond, he was definitely outclassed in terms of boxing skills but he was so brave. His face was a mask of blood at the end. Nice to see Khan tested properly. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

15-07-2007, 07:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Burgey Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Castle Posts: 35,117	I'm a fight fan so hopefully this thread can kick on. __________________ WWCC - Loyaulte Mi Lie "People make me happy.. not places.. people" "When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life." - Samuel Johnson "Oh my God, there's a castle! A castle!"

15-07-2007, 10:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
JBMAC State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Qld/Australia Posts: 1,304	Controversial??..You Bet! ESPN's Top 50 Boxers of all time in Ranking.Should provoke some lively discussion 1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Henry Armstrong 4. Joe Louis 5. Willie Pep 6. Roberto Duran 7. Benny Leonard 8. Jack Johnson 9. Jack Dempsey 10. Sam Langford 11. Joe Gans 12. Sugar Ray Leonard 13. Harry Greb 14. Rocky Marciano 15. Jimmy Wilde 16. Gene Tunney 17. Mickey Walker 18. Archie Moore 19. Stanley Ketchel 20. George Foreman 21. Tony Canzoneri 22. Barney Ross 23. Jimmy McLarnin 24. Julio Cesar Chavez 25. Marcel Cerdan 26. Joe Frazier 27. Ezzard Charles 28. Jake LaMotta 29. Sandy Saddler 30. Terry McGovern 31. Billy Conn 32. Jose Napoles 33. Ruben Olivares 34. Emile Griffith 35. Marvin Hagler 36. Eder Jofre 37. Thomas Hearns 38. Larry Holmes 39. Oscar De La Hoya 40. Evander Holyfield 41. Ted "Kid" Lewis 42. Alexis Arguello 43. Marco Antonio Barrera 44. Pernell Whitaker 45. Carlos Monzon 46. Roy Jones Jr. 47. Bernard Hopkins 48. Floyd Mayweather Jr. 49. Erik Morales 50. Mike Tyson __________________ Keep Your Feet on The Ground,Keep Reaching for The Stars!

16-07-2007, 03:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Agent TBY International Captain Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North Point Posts: 6,568	Ippo for the win. __________________ orz

15-07-2007, 08:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
Xuhaib Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Karachi Posts: 9,394	Amir Khan was made to work hard before beating Scotland's Willie Limond to win the Commonwealth lightweight title. Khan had looked in control early on in their fight at London's O2 Arena but Limond rocked the 20-year-old in the sixth round, knocking him to the floor. The Bolton fighter recovered and dug deep to force his opponent to take a count in the next round. Khan dominated after that and Limond was forced to retire after the eighth round with nose and jaw injuries. The Athens silver medallist came into the fight with nine knockouts from his 12 pro fights but this was by far his toughest test. He played a patient game early on and seemed to have a narrow advantage over his more experienced opponent. Although he picked off Limond with a series of jabs in the second round, the 28-year-old Scot kept Khan on his toes, especially in round five when a right hand connected cleanly. But the fight sparked into life in the sixth round when Limond seized the upper hand and landed Khan with a volley of punches which sent him sprawling. Somehow Khan struggled through the remainder of the round and the knock-down seemed to spark him into action. The seventh round was far more one-sided as Khan backed Limond against the ropes with more hurtful combinations and the champion went down himself. By the eighth, Limond was on trouble but the Scot refused to give in and had to be withdrawn by his corner, handing Khan the toughest victory of his career. "The timing just wasn't there," Khan admitted afterwards. "I was over-anxious and wanted to commit myself too much. I was running inside, made a mistake and got caught with the right hand. "It could have changed the fight but it didn't - it shows I've got a good chin. I just had to compose myself. "Good fighters go down, come back up and knock the other person down and I did that. I wanted that title more than Willie did." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great to see him having the pakistan flag on his shorts and pakistani coloured gum shield

15-07-2007, 06:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Majin International Debutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,784	What channel was that on, out of interest? I missed that. :\

16-07-2007, 08:57 AM	#12 (permalink)
Majin International Debutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,784	Going by the list, I'm surprised by how low down Rocky Marciano is on the list. 49-49-0 with 43 knockouts is hardly something to sniff at. I wonder what they used to decide their rankings.

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