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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTheOne View Post
    hatton's cashed in with the floyd fight as he know's he's on the way down, witter would batter hatton, i just hope the fight can be made now. hatton has ducked him for years.
    That has to be his next fight or at least the one after the one where he slaps some nobody around to rebuild confidence.
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    Think Hatton/Witter is probably the second most lucrative option out there for Ricky now. Obviously the big pay day would be de la Hoya, but the weight difference means it wouldn't be a smart option for Hatton. Hatton has showed he can't really cut it with the best at welter & de la Hoya's recently been campaigning as a light-middleweight and he's been up to full middle too.
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    For those of us who didn't have the fight there showing it now on SS Xtra.
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    Hopkins Calzaghe coming up. SHould be good.

    Heard Johnny Lewis on the radio this morning - he reckons Calzaghe easily. Said Hopkins very good, but Joe and Mayweather the only 2 of the past 15 years who you could call genuine hall of famers. Then he came out with a funny quote "Yeah, Hopkins is a good fighter, don't get me wrong, but throw Marvin Hagler in with him, and I reckon he'd be home early that night". Gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Hopkins Calzaghe coming up. SHould be good.

    Heard Johnny Lewis on the radio this morning - he reckons Calzaghe easily. Said Hopkins very good, but Joe and Mayweather the only 2 of the past 15 years who you could call genuine hall of famers. Then he came out with a funny quote "Yeah, Hopkins is a good fighter, don't get me wrong, but throw Marvin Hagler in with him, and I reckon he'd be home early that night". Gold.
    absolute garbage from lewis tbh, no way in hell does hagler stop hopkins.

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    Calzaghe won on points but I agree with Hopkins, he was made to look like an amateur

    Calzaghe might have landed more punches but he landed absolutely nothing of any significance and the judges seemed to hand him the title based on little slaps to the abdomen when they were in a clinch

    I think the conditions of the faces at the end told the story - Calzage had welts and cuts whilst 43 year old Hopkins looked like he'd stepped out of a shower.

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    Yeah Hopkins in a different league technically still didn't do enough work to win the fight though.

    A lot of people comment on how old Hopkins is but they shouldn't forget Calzaghe is 36 & about 8 years past his prime.

    I still don't get this BS that Calzaghe is the greatest Super Middle Weight of all time I would take a prime Roy Jones, James Toney & even Chris Eubank over him.

    I give Calzaghe credit for continuing to be successful with the state of his ****ed hands hence why only cuffs with the inside of the glove. I think he may be there for the taking in the next year or so though might be time for Carl Froch to get himself in the mix

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    BBC reckons it was very close. Haven't seen the fight because Sultana carried it over here & I'm not a subscriber. I guess Hopkins has won his share of close ones (the Winky Wright fight could easily have gone either way) so was due to lose one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    BBC reckons it was very close. Haven't seen the fight because Sultana carried it over here & I'm not a subscriber. I guess Hopkins has won his share of close ones (the Winky Wright fight could easily have gone either way) so was due to lose one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalky View Post
    Yeah Hopkins in a different league technically still didn't do enough work to win the fight though.

    A lot of people comment on how old Hopkins is but they shouldn't forget Calzaghe is 36 & about 8 years past his prime.

    I still don't get this BS that Calzaghe is the greatest Super Middle Weight of all time I would take a prime Roy Jones, James Toney & even Chris Eubank over him.

    I give Calzaghe credit for continuing to be successful with the state of his ****ed hands hence why only cuffs with the inside of the glove. I think he may be there for the taking in the next year or so though might be time for Carl Froch to get himself in the mix
    calzaghe has the deepest resume at SMW, the only man to ever completely unify the division and become undisputed and the only man you could make favourite over him at the weight is RJJ. eubank is nowhere near calzaghe's level, not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Calzaghe won on points but I agree with Hopkins, he was made to look like an amateur

    Calzaghe might have landed more punches but he landed absolutely nothing of any significance and the judges seemed to hand him the title based on little slaps to the abdomen when they were in a clinch

    I think the conditions of the faces at the end told the story - Calzage had welts and cuts whilst 43 year old Hopkins looked like he'd stepped out of a shower.
    and.....?

    ever watched pernell whitaker? do you discount his genius because he couldn't break an egg? hopkins can bitch and cry all he wants, he got outhustled and outworked. he wanted nothing of the 2002 version of calzaghe but losing to him now at the age of 43 doesn't look so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTheOne View Post
    and.....?

    ever watched pernell whitaker? do you discount his genius because he couldn't break an egg? hopkins can bitch and cry all he wants, he got outhustled and outworked. he wanted nothing of the 2002 version of calzaghe but losing to him now at the age of 43 doesn't look so bad.
    Not that I agree with all of the writer's sentiments or think it was the worst decision in history but this writer echoes the sentiments of many of the world's most respected boxing journalists

    BTW, please dont imply that Hopkins or any other fighter has ducked JC.

    There's a reason why this fight didnt happen until WELL AFTER A YEAR AFTER HOPKINS RETIRED (the reason no belts were on the line is that Hopkins relinquished them when he decided to hang his gloves up).

    His name is Frank Warren - the same guy who refused to let his golden goose leave home to be demolished by a prime RJJ (despite the fact that HBO were putting up all the cash) and the same guy who refused to pay a prime Hopkins an extra 3 mill to come to Wales, opting instead for him to face a garbage WBO mandatory in Cardiff.

    As Calzaghe Scrapes Points Win Over Hopkins, Should The Question Be Asked - Don't The Judges Appreciate The Subtleties Any More?

    20.04.08 - by James Slater: Let me start right off the bat by telling you I predicted a split decision win for Joe Calzaghe last night. Let me also tell you that I do not believe he deserved this winning result he actually got from the judges after his 12 rounds with Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas last night. No, the result was far from an outrageous one, but at the same time it made me ask the question, what do judges look at as their priority when scoring a boxing contest these days?

    Yes, Joe was the man coming forward, and he was the man with more aggression on his mind. But what about the masterful Hopkins' ability to control both the pace and the majority of the movement in the ring, his superbly delivered counter-punches - with the right hand mostly - and his superb defensive moves? As Hopkins said after the fight, he made Calzaghe look like an amateur at times. Are the subtleties of ring craft being disregarded by today's scoring officials? I think they were last night. Hopkins fought a near masterpiece. And the 43-year-old is not getting this praise simply due to his advanced age.

    Hopkins made Calzaghe look a completely different fighter than normal. Joe looked frustrated, clumsy, quite easy to hit and, as Hopkins said, amateurish. Even those who feel Joe won would surely have to admit this was the least impressive he's looked for many a year. Hopkins, once again proving he is an absolute master at shutting a guy down, took the Welshman to school at times. Enzo Calzaghe, Joe's dad and trainer, could see this and was implored to scream at his son a number of times as he tended to him between rounds. The trainer knew his son was not looking his old self, and he also knew it was because Hopkins had made it his kind of fight.

    "Do you want to stop him, or do you want him to stop you!?, Enzo bellowed between rounds 6 and 7. "Because that's the way it's going." The concern was all too real and Enzo knew his son was in serious danger of losing. "If you don't win this last round, it's over!," the trainer screamed at Joe before the 12th and final round. "You've got to stop him!" Did Enzo feel the points win was in the bag? Like hell he did. The fact that it actually was must have come as a huge relief to him, as it came as quite a shock to this writer - especially the ludicrously wide margin of one judge. 116-111! That was not only plain wrong, it was also an insult not only to Hopkins to but all the past old-school masters of the sweet science. Again, don't the subtleties of the ring masters count anymore?

    I though Hopkins fought a superb and clever fight. Once again pacing him brilliantly, the older man never let Joe come anywhere close to putting on the type of "Jeff Lacy" performance some writers foolishly predicted beforehand. There were no windmill imitations from Calzaghe on this night. The knockdown Hopkins scored in the 1st round - a knockdown that was the result of a superbly delivered right hand - put paid to Joe’s desire to let it all hang out as has become his trademark. Joe knew the risks of adopting such kamikaze tactics that he’s made his own in the past. Tonight he was in with the most intelligent, dangerous and crafty opponent of his long career.

    Calzgahe, to his credit, did come into the fight from the 5th round on (I gave B-Hop all of the first four), but he never really got into the groove we have all become accustomed from him. To me, Hopkins was the ring general last night, sometimes landing his counters almost at will. Apart from the two low blows, which Hopkins admittedly made too much of, the 43-year-old looked as though he was enjoying himself in the fight. I was certainly enjoying his quite magnificent showcase of the art of pugilistic skill. Two of the three judges, however, were sadly not doing the same.

    Coming forward and trying to make a fight of it is an admirable thing, but when you find yourself getting counterpunched something awful by the man you’re chasing you have no right to claim a victory - something Joe Calzaghe did last night. For what it’s worth, I had the Ring magazine belt holder retaining his title by a 115-112 margin.

    “The good thing about boxing,” Hopkins said after the result was announced, “is that the fans are the real judges.” I for one hope the fans saw what two of the three official judges never last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Not that I agree with all of the writer's sentiments or think it was the worst decision in history but this writer echoes the sentiments of many of the world's most respected boxing journalists

    BTW, please dont imply that Hopkins or any other fighter has ducked JC.

    There's a reason why this fight didnt happen until WELL AFTER A YEAR AFTER HOPKINS RETIRED (the reason no belts were on the line is that Hopkins relinquished them when he decided to hang his gloves up).

    His name is Frank Warren - the same guy who refused to let his golden goose leave home to be demolished by a prime RJJ (despite the fact that HBO were putting up all the cash) and the same guy who refused to pay a prime Hopkins an extra 3 mill to come to Wales, opting instead for him to face a garbage WBO mandatory in Cardiff.
    the whole 3mil incident is all on hopkins head, he doubled his demand to an unrealistic price at the last minute, he was not worth that amount of money unless he was fighting a DLH.

    this piece was taken from the ring magazine...

    "A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymn sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

    Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."



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