Formula 1 Thread - Page 3

16 tins of Spam · 26-06-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Matteh

Surely it was pretty obvious it was damaged, if Hill's wishbone got broken by Schumacher hitting him, then slamming it into a wall will break it no question.

There's no evidence Schumacher's car was damaged, and the two impacts weren't identical. Besides, they were in different cars so there's no reason to suspect that they would break in identical fashion.

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Originally Posted by Matteh

Entering that corner they are level, Schumacher turns in and it turns out there's actually a car there, hits Hill and that's that. There's actually one view from Hill's car where it looks like there's easily enough room for him to go through.

They were not level at any point, Hill took a risk that turned out to be a poor one. The view from his in-car camera shows why he did it, but the other view showed why it didn't work out. He initially tried to go around the outside - perhaps if he'd tried the inside line straight away he could have made it stick. He didn't, Schumacher was entitled to defend his line and there was an accident.

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Originally Posted by Matteh

Re-watched the Jerez one last night as well, that one was ridiculously blatant.

Obviously, Schumacher has admitted that was deliberate.

Matteh · 26-06-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 16 tins of Spam

They were not level at any point, Hill took a risk that turned out to be a poor one. The view from his in-car camera shows why he did it, but the other view showed why it didn't work out. He initially tried to go around the outside - perhaps if he'd tried the inside line straight away he could have made it stick. He didn't, Schumacher was entitled to defend his line and there was an accident.

They were level at the very start of that corner, then it looks like Schumacher out brakes him to go slightly ahead whilst in the corner before turning into Hill who was on the inside. He tried to go around the outside because that's where the space was when Schumacher was rejoining the track, Schumacher jumps across to block him,taking him off the racing line incidentially, so Hill goes for the gap on the inside.

16 tins of Spam · 26-06-2007, 06:09 PM

Aside from your contention that Hill was level with Schumi at one point, I think we agree on what happened, but disagree on the nature of the collision.

In conclusion, all I see is Hill attempting a risky overtaking move - which I would have attempted too - which failed. I don't see any rulebreaking or poor sportsmanship. If it had been two other drivers and the stakes had not been so high, no-one would have bothered debating it.

jot1 · 01-07-2007, 10:07 AM

Ferrari back on top today.

Matteh · 01-07-2007, 10:11 AM

Reckon they'll be second best again at Silverstone.

Majin · 01-07-2007, 03:06 PM

It was good they managed to pull one back though. I'd rather they got as close as possible before Lewis crushes them in the last race

Matteh · 01-07-2007, 03:18 PM

'David Coulthard believes he would be challenging Lewis Hamilton at the top of the Formula One championship if he had a better car at his disposal. '

Probably would tbh. Would love to see a Formula Ford/A1GP type setup in Formula 1 with all the cars as a level playing field, putting more emphasis on the drivers to be good.

Neil Pickup · 01-07-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Matteh

'David Coulthard believes he would be challenging Lewis Hamilton at the top of the Formula One championship if he had a better car at his disposal. '

Probably would tbh. Would love to see a Formula Ford/A1GP type setup in Formula 1 with all the cars as a level playing field, putting more emphasis on the drivers to be good.

David, for many seasons you had a car that was capable of challenging for the World Championship. You did naff all.

Matteh · 01-07-2007, 04:37 PM

Finished 3rd all over the place. Should have **** all over Hakkinen, but didn't.

Neil Pickup · 01-07-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Matteh

Finished 3rd all over the place. Should have **** all over Hakkinen, but didn't.

Therein lies the key point of the whole issue.

16 tins of Spam · 01-07-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

David, for many seasons you had a car that was capable of challenging for the World Championship. You did naff all.

Totally - had the mid 90s Williams and the late 90s McLaren but was nothing more than an also-ran.

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Originally Posted by Matteh

Finished 3rd all over the place. Should have **** all over Hakkinen, but didn't.

Because he wasn't good enough?

jot1 · 02-07-2007, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

David, for many seasons you had a car that was capable of challenging for the World Championship. You did naff all.

True True

Matteh · 02-07-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 16 tins of Spam

Because he wasn't good enough?

Not like Hakkinen was amazing, he just ended up playing second fiddle to him because of that 'gentleman's agreement'. The impression that you get with him though is that of a very solid number 2 rather than someone you'd put as your main driver.

jot1 · 07-07-2007, 05:48 AM

Now McLaren has been caught stealing secrets from Ferrari.

Johnners · 09-07-2007, 07:53 AM

Awesome race from Kimi at Silverstone, easily had the fastest car all weekend imo.

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26-06-2007, 06:09 PM	#33 (permalink)
16 tins of Spam International Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 3,534	Aside from your contention that Hill was level with Schumi at one point, I think we agree on what happened, but disagree on the nature of the collision. In conclusion, all I see is Hill attempting a risky overtaking move - which I would have attempted too - which failed. I don't see any rulebreaking or poor sportsmanship. If it had been two other drivers and the stakes had not been so high, no-one would have bothered debating it.

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jot1 State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 1,098	Ferrari back on top today.

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Matteh Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 22,938	Reckon they'll be second best again at Silverstone.

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Majin International Debutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 2,784	It was good they managed to pull one back though. I'd rather they got as close as possible before Lewis crushes them in the last race

01-07-2007, 03:18 PM	#37 (permalink)
Matteh Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 22,938	'David Coulthard believes he would be challenging Lewis Hamilton at the top of the Formula One championship if he had a better car at his disposal. ' Probably would tbh. Would love to see a Formula Ford/A1GP type setup in Formula 1 with all the cars as a level playing field, putting more emphasis on the drivers to be good.

01-07-2007, 04:37 PM	#39 (permalink)
Matteh Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 22,938	Finished 3rd all over the place. Should have **** all over Hakkinen, but didn't.

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