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Old 13-07-2009, 06:12 AM   #211 (permalink)
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but there's no-one in the field who hasn't won a race that deserves it more than Webber.
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Before the killjoys attack, I'm not saying he's the reincarnation of Senna or the next big thing, but there's no-one in the field who hasn't won a race that deserves it more than Webber.
I know you're talking about the current field, but I can't think of anyone who deserved their first win more than Jean Alesi. I was so happy watching that race.
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Webber **** on Heidfield when they were both at Williams.
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Webber **** on Heidfield when they were both at Williams.
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Webber: 36 points finished 10th.

Heidfeld: 28 points finished 11th.

Yeah really did **** on him, considering Heidfeld missed the last five races of the season.
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Old 14-07-2009, 07:32 AM   #216 (permalink)
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Old 14-07-2009, 08:17 AM   #217 (permalink)
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Want to talk qualifying as well?
I don't see how qualifying makes any difference to who deserves/ed a win more. Otherwise Jarno Trulli should be world champion multiple times over.

Although I do know Heidfeld had a pole in 05, not sure if Webber ever had a pole before this race.
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Although I do know Heidfeld had a pole in 05, not sure if Webber ever had a pole before this race.
He did not.
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Surprised at the plaudits tbh. A middling driver at best, but then even notorious underachievers like Jarno Trulli have managed to get across the line in 1st place at least once.

Vettel has to be the one to win this championship if it's not to be simply a case of a competent driver winning because he had the best machinery.
Think that is a little unfair, Webber has always been a talented driver and he is not been all that far off Vettel all season.
Also Button is more than just a competent driver he has performed excellently this season, yes he has had the best car but he has driven almost perfectly this season (he has made far less mistakes and driven a lot more consistently than Hamilton did last season) To do this at the highest level is a skill that not all drivers have
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I know you're talking about the current field, but I can't think of anyone who deserved their first win more than Jean Alesi. I was so happy watching that race.
Same, was fantastic.

I'd like to have seen Mika Salo win a race, but he was denied that...
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Sorry for being an unabashed fan of the formula 1 driver from my country, would expect Kiwis to understand.
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Sorry for being an unabashed fan of the formula 1 driver from my country, would expect Kiwis to understand.
It's okay, I'm happy that he's won as he's my favourite driver.
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Think that is a little unfair, Webber has always been a talented driver and he is not been all that far off Vettel all season.
Also Button is more than just a competent driver he has performed excellently this season, yes he has had the best car but he has driven almost perfectly this season (he has made far less mistakes and driven a lot more consistently than Hamilton did last season) To do this at the highest level is a skill that not all drivers have
Obviously in relative terms (ie. compared to ordinary mortals and race drivers in lower categories) both drivers are very good, but as F1 drivers they are both merely ordinary. A truly good driver will shine even when stuck with inferior machinery and neither have really done that aside from a few isolated occasions. Even worse, they've both had access to reasonable, if not pack leading, cars in the past when they drove for Williams and did basically nothing of note.

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge them their day in the sun but it seems a real shame that either is a contender for the championship in a field that contains obviously superior drivers like Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen, Massa and Kubica struggling in the also ran section. IMO, Vettel is the only driver in contention who truly deserves to be world champion - the man is obviously extremely talented.

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Same, was fantastic.

I'd like to have seen Mika Salo win a race, but he was denied that...
Didn't he nearly have the German GP in the bag at one stage, only to gift the win to Irvine (or someone)?
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Even worse, they've both had access to reasonable, if not pack leading, cars in the past when they drove for Williams and did basically nothing of note.
Explains why the engine blew up every race Webber drove I suppose. Must have been too good an engine for the car or something.
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Didn't he nearly have the German GP in the bag at one stage, only to gift the win to Irvine (or someone)?
Team orders to give it to Irvine, yep. Was during Shumi's injury.
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