Pro Cycling Thread - Page 33

Spitfires_Fan · 24-07-2007, 05:03 PM

Astana's withdrawal leaves the way a lot clearer for Millar and Wiggins in the TT. Zabriskie's long gone as well, so unless one of the GC guys put in a huge effort (Evans?) I think it'll be either one of them or Cancellara that wins it.

Matteh · 24-07-2007, 05:10 PM

I reckon Millar to win tomorrow's stage.

Johnners · 24-07-2007, 05:25 PM

nah Evans, either that, or Lotto will send one of their many crappy riders who can't help Cadel in the mountains to take out Rasmussen early on in the stage

JBMAC · 25-07-2007, 12:51 AM

Could someone explain to this l'il ole country boy what happens re the standings at this point of the race?
Does every one move up9 places?
What about any rider who did not finish in allotted time? Is it reassessed based on 2nd placing time?
What about any rider who was eliminated in TT? Are they reinstated?
Do Race Organisers make the assumption that ALL riders who finished behind Vini deserve readmission to race as they would not have been eliminated if Vini had not being using PH drugs?
Your explanations here would be appreciated.

Samuel_Vimes · 25-07-2007, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBMAC

Could someone explain to this l'il ole country boy what happens re the standings at this point of the race?
Does every one move up9 places?

Nah, everyone moves up as many places as there were Astanas ahead of them (if that made sense)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBMAC

What about any rider who did not finish in allotted time? Is it reassessed based on 2nd placing time?
What about any rider who was eliminated in TT? Are they reinstated?

Nah, they can't do that except for the last stage, and IIRC no one were eliminated there even though 60 riders missed the time limit. Anyone eliminated at an earlier stage stay out of the race because they haven't run the next stage.

PhoenixFire · 25-07-2007, 06:48 AM

Looks like Rasumssen is in a bit of hot water, as is Contador. Contador has links with some dodgy Italian drugs doctor or something, the whole deal is rather suspicious.

Matteh · 25-07-2007, 01:08 PM

Christian Moreni you ****ing ****. He's tested positive for testosterone meaning Cofidis and therefore Wiggins are out of the race. When are the stupid ****ing idiots going to realise that the Tour of all things given the massive attempts by them to clean it up is not the place to do performance enhancing drugs.

BoyBrumby · 25-07-2007, 01:18 PM

I don't know whether to applaud the Tour authorities for their efforts to clean it up or laugh at the attempt in all honesty. Clearly bent as.

Saw in paper today Rasmussen in hot water over missed drugs tests too. Cycling's foot must be more bullet than bone now.

open365 · 25-07-2007, 01:35 PM

Yeh i read in the paper that the tour organisers wouldn't have let him race if they knew he'd been warned twice by the Danish doping board.

Kind of takes away from the whole magic of the race when you know that everytime anyone does anything special that they're probably on drugs.

PhoenixFire · 25-07-2007, 01:50 PM

I reckon they should ban for life anyone that is found taking drugs. It would put a stop to all the nonsense once and for all I reckon.

open365 · 25-07-2007, 02:20 PM

I agree totaly, but i still don't think they'd stop, the punishments already are harsh enough to put many older riders out of a career, yet they still take drugs(Landis being a prime example).

PhoenixFire · 25-07-2007, 02:32 PM

That was only becuase Landis was nearing the end of his career anyway. If you said to these 22 year olds who take drugs:'If you take drugs, you will never be allowed to cycle in any events ever again', then I'm sure that a lot of them would take notice.

open365 · 25-07-2007, 02:35 PM

Ahhh, good point about Landis, hopefully it can only be a matter of time before they do give life bans out.

Matteh · 25-07-2007, 03:10 PM

I'm pretty sure that if you do your 2 year ban and then get caught again that you get life.

Hence why i'd be suprised if David Millar or Tyler Hamilton ever did it again.

Jungle Jumbo · 25-07-2007, 03:32 PM

AP are reporting that Rasmussen and the rest of Rabobank have been removed from the race as well, nothing more that I can find yet.

Very, very sad. I feel somewhat cheated - I have watched the Tour for the last few weeks and really enjoyed it, mainly because I admired the human achievement involved. Now I just feel duped.

EDIT: Rabobank have removed Rasmussen; rest of the team is still in the race. Turns out that he informed them that he was in Mexico, while being in Italy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...ng/6916698.stm

25-07-2007, 12:51 AM	#484 (permalink)
JBMAC State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Qld/Australia Posts: 1,304	Could someone explain to this l'il ole country boy what happens re the standings at this point of the race? Does every one move up9 places? What about any rider who did not finish in allotted time? Is it reassessed based on 2nd placing time? What about any rider who was eliminated in TT? Are they reinstated? Do Race Organisers make the assumption that ALL riders who finished behind Vini deserve readmission to race as they would not have been eliminated if Vini had not being using PH drugs? Your explanations here would be appreciated. __________________ Keep Your Feet on The Ground,Keep Reaching for The Stars!

25-07-2007, 01:18 PM	#488 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,629	I don't know whether to applaud the Tour authorities for their efforts to clean it up or laugh at the attempt in all honesty. Clearly bent as. Saw in paper today Rasmussen in hot water over missed drugs tests too. Cycling's foot must be more bullet than bone now. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

25-07-2007, 03:32 PM	#495 (permalink)
Jungle Jumbo International Vice-Captain Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 4,898	AP are reporting that Rasmussen and the rest of Rabobank have been removed from the race as well, nothing more that I can find yet. Very, very sad. I feel somewhat cheated - I have watched the Tour for the last few weeks and really enjoyed it, mainly because I admired the human achievement involved. Now I just feel duped. EDIT: Rabobank have removed Rasmussen; rest of the team is still in the race. Turns out that he informed them that he was in Mexico, while being in Italy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...ng/6916698.stm Last edited by Jungle Jumbo; 25-07-2007 at 03:35 PM.

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24-07-2007, 05:03 PM	#481 (permalink)
Spitfires_Fan State Vice-Captain Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sussex Posts: 1,454	Astana's withdrawal leaves the way a lot clearer for Millar and Wiggins in the TT. Zabriskie's long gone as well, so unless one of the GC guys put in a huge effort (Evans?) I think it'll be either one of them or Cancellara that wins it.

25-07-2007, 01:08 PM	#487 (permalink)
Matteh Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 22,938	Christian Moreni you **ing . He's tested positive for testosterone meaning Cofidis and therefore Wiggins are out of the race. When are the stupid **ing idiots going to realise that the Tour of all things given the massive attempts by them to clean it up is not the place to do performance enhancing drugs.

25-07-2007, 01:35 PM	#489 (permalink)
open365 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: liverpool Posts: 4,066	Yeh i read in the paper that the tour organisers wouldn't have let him race if they knew he'd been warned twice by the Danish doping board. Kind of takes away from the whole magic of the race when you know that everytime anyone does anything special that they're probably on drugs.

25-07-2007, 01:50 PM	#490 (permalink)
PhoenixFire International Coach Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bitch please, I'm from West Yorkshire Posts: 14,986	I reckon they should ban for life anyone that is found taking drugs. It would put a stop to all the nonsense once and for all I reckon.

25-07-2007, 02:20 PM	#491 (permalink)
open365 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: liverpool Posts: 4,066	I agree totaly, but i still don't think they'd stop, the punishments already are harsh enough to put many older riders out of a career, yet they still take drugs(Landis being a prime example).

25-07-2007, 02:32 PM	#492 (permalink)
PhoenixFire International Coach Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bitch please, I'm from West Yorkshire Posts: 14,986	That was only becuase Landis was nearing the end of his career anyway. If you said to these 22 year olds who take drugs:'If you take drugs, you will never be allowed to cycle in any events ever again', then I'm sure that a lot of them would take notice.

25-07-2007, 02:35 PM	#493 (permalink)
open365 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: liverpool Posts: 4,066	Ahhh, good point about Landis, hopefully it can only be a matter of time before they do give life bans out.

25-07-2007, 03:10 PM	#494 (permalink)
Matteh Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 22,938	I'm pretty sure that if you do your 2 year ban and then get caught again that you get life. Hence why i'd be suprised if David Millar or Tyler Hamilton ever did it again.

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