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chaminda_00 · 15-10-2012, 05:24 AM

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Not the best start to season by Sydney FC. I agree with most of points from this article. But something that continues to be overlooked is the fact that you spend all this money on Del Piero it leaves no money for other positions. Basically they are lacking three first team standard players across the pack. Is one superstar worth having no depth? Don't think A-League sides are ready for big name players until they have enough money to still field a side with 10 other first team players. You can't carry 3-4 state league players each game.

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Loving all the talk in the media about the Socceroos and some interesting comments.

It seems only six months ago the Football media in Australia were praising the impact the Middle East move was having on Bresciano and that move of key reason for his good performances for the Socceroos. Now all of sudden it is trigger for Australia's down fall recently.

Also it was only six months ago the same media where having a go at the A-league for bring the end the International careers of Emerton and Kewell. Now all the Socceroos that aren't good enough for European 1st XIs should come back to A-League, because Del Peiro, Heskey and co have magically made it a better league.

Watch this space for Middle East sides to still out play A-League sides in ACL.

What is the real difference between this generation and the previous generation. Lets look at two players Matt Spiranovic and Tommy Oar. Both left Australia early like most the previous generation to go to big European leagues Germany and Holland respectively.

Spiranovic spent 4 seasons in Germany and struggle to make the starting XI, partly to do with injuries. Got told have the Socceroos management if he wants to play for Australia and replace Moore, he need first team game time. He then moves Japan and gets game time for the first two seasons. Then the 3rd season he is no longer in favour. Again gets told he needs game time to replace Neill. So he moves to Qatar and now is being told he needs game time and a better league. Maybe he not good enough to be a starting player in a better league, because he left Europe too early in the search of game time and Socceroos spot. He has played 15 games now for Australia.

Tommy Oar spent three seasons Holland now and only getting a regular spot in the first team. He could have taken the easier option and gone to an easier league for starting spot and played more then 4 games for Australia.

The real issue with player development over the last six years is the fact that we are in Asia not Oceania, not the player choice per say. When we were in Oceania players could put their careers on hold for 2-3 years to develop, as long as they were starting by the time the last year of qualifiers started. These days if players want Socceroos caps they need to drop their league standard and get first team action.

Hopefully Craig Moore in his new position encourages players to go the Oar, Herd, Troisi and Holman option of developing first and playing for Socceroos second. The long term benefit is better the short term benefit of extra caps.

Also the Japan, Korea examples of completely different situation. They can keep their young players longer at home because they can pay them similar wages to European secondary leagues, we can't. They also have more money to spend on training facilities. Australian players won't get that in Australia, they need to go overseas.

Uppercut · 16-10-2012, 09:46 AM

Aussies in trouble here. 1-0 down to Iraq with 20 minutes left.

Ausage · 16-10-2012, 04:21 PM

Timmeh

NUFAN · 16-10-2012, 10:15 PM

That's a massive come from behind win. If we lost or even drew, reckon we'd be only a small chance of progressing. Now with 3 home games out of 4, we are in the box seat in joining Japan.

chaminda_00 · 17-10-2012, 01:22 AM

The win is probably the worst thing for Socceroos. Watch this space for no changes, no new players blooded and get knocked out of next WC in straight sets.

uvelocity · 17-10-2012, 06:18 AM

hope so

Ausage · 17-10-2012, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaminda_00

The win is probably the worst thing for Socceroos. Watch this space for no changes, no new players blooded and get knocked out of next WC in straight sets.

Nah it would have been the fault of that evil coach.

Saw Archie Thompson referred to as "Australian Socceroos star" yesterday.

chaminda_00 · 18-10-2012, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ausage

Nah it would have been the fault of that evil coach.

Saw Archie Thompson referred to as "Australian Socceroos star" yesterday.

Compared to some of our other strikers he is. Got a far better goal scoring record then Holman or Kruse, even taking out the Oceania matches at the start of his career. Granted the other two are more attacking mids then strikers.

The only more reliable goal scorers for Australia are Josh Kennedy and Tim Cahill.

ripper868 · 19-10-2012, 02:52 AM

Don't forget Scott McDonald

Ausage · 21-10-2012, 03:46 PM

McDonald is indeed very reliable.

Burgey · 10-12-2012, 05:24 PM

Managed tix for the Man United- A League All Stars game for Burgeinho and I next July. Behind the goals northern end. Should e a beauty.

Jono · 11-12-2012, 06:16 PM

**** you did well, many missed out. Sold out by 9:02am

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Burgey · 11-12-2012, 07:40 PM

Benefit of him being registered with FFA so being able to buy yesterday instead of when the plebs could today, and of having a Smart Phone, ****.

Jono · 11-12-2012, 08:09 PM

Why are you swearing at me?

Burgey · 11-12-2012, 08:10 PM

Now, now reverend.

15-10-2012, 05:24 AM	#1816 (permalink)
chaminda_00 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Murali CG Posts: 16,304	FC hype papering over cracks \| A-League \| Fox Sports Not the best start to season by Sydney FC. I agree with most of points from this article. But something that continues to be overlooked is the fact that you spend all this money on Del Piero it leaves no money for other positions. Basically they are lacking three first team standard players across the pack. Is one superstar worth having no depth? Don't think A-League sides are ready for big name players until they have enough money to still field a side with 10 other first team players. You can't carry 3-4 state league players each game. Middle East has pitfalls: Bresciano \| Football - Soccer \| Fox Sports Rivals show Socceroos the way \| Football - Soccer \| Fox Sports 'Future not bright for Socceroos' \| Football - Soccer \| Fox Sports Middle East has pitfalls: Bresciano \| Football - Soccer \| Fox Sports Money or the Socceroos shirt \| Football - Soccer \| Fox Sports Young guns out to lift Socceroos \| Football - Soccer \| Fox Sports Loving all the talk in the media about the Socceroos and some interesting comments. It seems only six months ago the Football media in Australia were praising the impact the Middle East move was having on Bresciano and that move of key reason for his good performances for the Socceroos. Now all of sudden it is trigger for Australia's down fall recently. Also it was only six months ago the same media where having a go at the A-league for bring the end the International careers of Emerton and Kewell. Now all the Socceroos that aren't good enough for European 1st XIs should come back to A-League, because Del Peiro, Heskey and co have magically made it a better league. Watch this space for Middle East sides to still out play A-League sides in ACL. What is the real difference between this generation and the previous generation. Lets look at two players Matt Spiranovic and Tommy Oar. Both left Australia early like most the previous generation to go to big European leagues Germany and Holland respectively. Spiranovic spent 4 seasons in Germany and struggle to make the starting XI, partly to do with injuries. Got told have the Socceroos management if he wants to play for Australia and replace Moore, he need first team game time. He then moves Japan and gets game time for the first two seasons. Then the 3rd season he is no longer in favour. Again gets told he needs game time to replace Neill. So he moves to Qatar and now is being told he needs game time and a better league. Maybe he not good enough to be a starting player in a better league, because he left Europe too early in the search of game time and Socceroos spot. He has played 15 games now for Australia. Tommy Oar spent three seasons Holland now and only getting a regular spot in the first team. He could have taken the easier option and gone to an easier league for starting spot and played more then 4 games for Australia. The real issue with player development over the last six years is the fact that we are in Asia not Oceania, not the player choice per say. When we were in Oceania players could put their careers on hold for 2-3 years to develop, as long as they were starting by the time the last year of qualifiers started. These days if players want Socceroos caps they need to drop their league standard and get first team action. Hopefully Craig Moore in his new position encourages players to go the Oar, Herd, Troisi and Holman option of developing first and playing for Socceroos second. The long term benefit is better the short term benefit of extra caps. Also the Japan, Korea examples of completely different situation. They can keep their young players longer at home because they can pay them similar wages to European secondary leagues, we can't. They also have more money to spend on training facilities. Australian players won't get that in Australia, they need to go overseas. __________________ The man, the mountain, the Mathews. The greatest all rounder since Keith Miller. (Y) Jaffna Jets CC (Battrick & FTP) RIP WCC and CW Cricket Member of the MSC, JMAS and CVAAS Last edited by chaminda_00; 15-10-2012 at 05:26 AM.

16-10-2012, 04:21 PM	#1818 (permalink)
Ausage International Vice-Captain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: I'll show ye!! Posts: 4,826	Timmeh __________________ Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. Too many bones, not enough CASH!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZwgu8_b0Vw RIP Craig

19-10-2012, 02:52 AM	#1824 (permalink)
ripper868 Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Nest Posts: 8,271	Don't forget Scott McDonald __________________ Parmi Avatar not by choice.

10-12-2012, 05:24 PM	#1826 (permalink)
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16-10-2012, 10:15 PM	#1819 (permalink)
NUFAN International Coach Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NSW Posts: 13,732	That's a massive come from behind win. If we lost or even drew, reckon we'd be only a small chance of progressing. Now with 3 home games out of 4, we are in the box seat in joining Japan.

17-10-2012, 01:22 AM	#1820 (permalink)
chaminda_00 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Murali CG Posts: 16,304	The win is probably the worst thing for Socceroos. Watch this space for no changes, no new players blooded and get knocked out of next WC in straight sets.

21-10-2012, 03:46 PM	#1825 (permalink)
Ausage International Vice-Captain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: I'll show ye!! Posts: 4,826	McDonald is indeed very reliable.

11-12-2012, 06:16 PM	#1827 (permalink)
Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,477	**** you did well, many missed out. Sold out by 9:02am Man Utd v Sydney All Stars \| Ticketek Anger Over Tickets \| EPL

11-12-2012, 07:40 PM	#1828 (permalink)
Burgey Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Castle Posts: 35,138	Benefit of him being registered with FFA so being able to buy yesterday instead of when the plebs could today, and of having a Smart Phone, ****.

11-12-2012, 08:09 PM	#1829 (permalink)
Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,477	Why are you swearing at me?

11-12-2012, 08:10 PM	#1830 (permalink)
Burgey Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Castle Posts: 35,138	Now, now reverend.

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