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    Well Britain is significantly better in dealing with racism than America or even Australia,but AFAIK, the most tolerant states in Europe are the scandinavian nations and iceland.
    This is quite a sweeping comment. I probably shouldn't ask, but how do you qualify it? Are you simply referring to historical treatment of indigenous population, integration of immigrants, level of actual civil unrest, general bigotry, or what?

    I was also under the impression that the Scandinavian/Nordic region was far more racially homogenous than Britain or America... I certainly thought I once read that Iceland was one of the most homogenous countries in the world when it came to ethnicity.
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    Yeah but it hardly counts when you are so far from mainland Europe, so you are hardly going to have refugees in a war torn country wanting to move to Iceland when it requires an expensive plane ride (expensive for them probably) to get there when it is a lot easier to get to somewhere like Germany, Belgium, France, Holland, Denmark etc. then it is to Iceland so it is not likely they are going to have a Tampa or Children Overboard scandal and have a lot of detention centres dotted throughout the island.

    So if we are going to take about the homogenous nations in Europe, then I think it is fair we talk about countries that get a lot of immigrants (ie England, France etc.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post


    Looks bad, doesn't it? Fear not tho, because Paolo assures us that "My gesture has nothing to do with political ideologies." Phew, that's a relief, then. In fact one leading Italian politician has said "How nice that Roman salute was. It delighted me so much."

    That's Alessandra Mussolini, by the way, the granddaughter of Il Duce himself. Paolo is an admirer of his work. To such an extent that he has "DVX" tattooed on his arm, which is (apparently) how the fascist dictator was signified in Italy in the olden days.

    Seriously tho, what the hell is going on? A "Roman salute"? What's Italian for "Cobblers"? Anyone who has even the slightest interest in Italian football will know about Lazio's fascist followers (I've seen Craig describe them as "Nazio" on the forum previously) & this patently is not a "Roman" salute. I wonder how many Roma fans (traditionally with a strong Socialist following, but just as Roman as Lazio fans) greet each other with it?

    Over here Di Canio had his brushes with authority, most notably when he shoved a ref over playing for Sheffield Wednesday playing against us, but made v little of his beliefs. Presumably he knew he wouldn't find such a welcoming audience. He was sufficiently well thought of to make an ad for some soap or other (Imperial Leather, maybe?). I wonder how his black former team-mates feel about him now?

    In a time when UEFA are trying to stamp racism out of the game I think we have a right to expect stronger action than a 10,000 Euro fine & one match ban for this charmless turd. Nothing more than a token slap on the wrist. If he moves on to holocaust denial, will that prompt a bit more action by the authorities?

    Am I right to be so aerated by this? Or should Paolo & has ilk have the right to free expression? Thoughts anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    As far as racism overall is concerned we have seen that there are still massive problems in europe and Britain probably now has the best reputation in europe i really dont think there is much racism in brittish football
    Ha good one, no racism in British football.

    Fascism seems to be more acceptable in Italy than in most other countries for various reasons, the fascist party itself has morphed into a relatively moderate right wing party. Mr Di Canio himself no doubt remains a good old unconstituted admirer of Mussolini and his work. Interesting to see how the sponsors react to this, I think I remember Swindon losing theirs when he was appointed. Sunderland's shirt sponsors are currently Invest in Africa, I wonder what Di Canio thinks of fascist Italy's imperial escapades.


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    The bloke is an utter moron. Only been a success so far by spending an absolute fortune at a low level and nearly sent that side into administration. Learnt well from Harry Redknapp how to fool the nation into thinking you are great while actually being a fraud.

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    To accuse him now, as some have done, of being a racist or having fascist sympathies, is insulting not only to him but to the integrity of this football club.
    This bit is ridiculous; he quite clearly has fascist sympathies.

    If this makes him unfit for the job or not is a different matter but they are simply denying the facts here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    This bit is ridiculous; he quite clearly has fascist sympathies.

    If this makes him unfit for the job or not is a different matter but they are simply denying the facts here.
    haha yeah, what a stupid thing to say.

    One wonders actually if they fully thought this appointment through actually. One gets the impression a few members of the board might have thought "oh ****" after seeing the furore this has kicked up.

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    That's embarrassing, he has a tattooed tribute to Mussolini ffs.
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    Meh why is this a big deal now but wasn't when he was at Swindon? If he's a **** he's a ****, whoever he's working for.
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    That's embarrassing, he has a tattooed tribute to Mussolini ffs.
    Heh yea it's funny how they still think they can get people to swallow the whole "he's not a fascist" line. That ship sailed many years ago. I know Mackems are a bit thick, not as bad as Geordies but up there. But I doubt even they'd believe this crock of ****e. The board might have gotten away with saying he's a reformed character or some such, but not now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Halsey View Post
    Meh why is this a big deal now but wasn't when he was at Swindon? If he's a **** he's a ****, whoever he's working for.
    Yeah, the thought had occurred to me too.

    The only thing I can think of is that he's now far more in the public eye. Will be on national TV every week etc...

    Like you say though, the fact that he's an extremely dubious character is not exactly new information.

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    Picture on Twitter before taken from his autobiography, going on about immigration. Basically saying he has no issue with race, creed etc so long as a person is willing to intigrate into a society, and in many cases society itself lets the immigrants down by not encouraging integration enough.

    Sounds like a right rascist.

    Once again it seems to be my biggest political bugbear, people confusing Italian Fascism for Nazicism, forgetting that Italy ran for 10 years under a Fascist leadership which came under great praise for stabilizing the country after the war. The Fascist Manifesto shows what a bunch of right wing nutters they were. Of course after about 1929 Mussolini was seduced by Hitler, and everything changed.


    Whilst Di Canio was certainly a ****head for things he's done, eg that salute, saying you believe in Fascist policy does not make you a racist Nazi.
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    As I mentioned earlier I think one of Swindon's sponsors withdrew when he was appointed so there were some murmurings. As you say though it is largely because it is the Premiership and it is always going to get more attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    Picture on Twitter before taken from his autobiography, going on about immigration. Basically saying he has no issue with race, creed etc so long as a person is willing to intigrate into a society, and in many cases society itself lets the immigrants down by not encouraging integration enough.

    Sounds like a right rascist.

    Once again it seems to be my biggest political bugbear, people confusing Italian Fascism for Nazicism, forgetting that Italy ran for 10 years under a Fascist leadership which came under great praise for stabilizing the country after the war. The Fascist Manifesto shows what a bunch of right wing nutters they were. Of course after about 1929 Mussolini was seduced by Hitler, and everything changed.


    Whilst Di Canio was certainly a ****head for things he's done, eg that salute, saying you believe in Fascist policy does not make you a racist Nazi.
    Well I don’t think I would go along with a benign view of the Mussolini regime before 1929 and di Canio has a tattoo of him being perfectly aware of what happened in the 30s and 40s, but yeah you can be a fascist without subscribing to biological racism.

    That statement on immigration is the sort of thing we are used to hearing from all sorts of different people and parties, some of who are racist and some who are not.

    This does not change the fact that Sunderland are denying that he is a fascist sympathiser, which quite obviously he is.

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